Not to sound ignorant

[Pat Vegas]

To be fair, none of us know quite how mad Trump is.

I thought it was going to be entertaining with him being president but it's ruined by all the constant outcry and trump discussions

The world is a very extremely boring place these days.

[Burney]

To be fair, none of us know quite how mad Trump is.

It's not really germane because the term is meaningless and entirely subjective. We can only judge by the actions of the individuals and, since the Donald has never had people torn apart by dogs, blown apart by heavy calibre machine guns, publicly murdered any of his relatives, tortured, starved or brutalised his population, I'm going to take his side against the guy who's done all those things.

[Monty92]

It's not really germane because the term is meaningless and entirely subjective. We can only judge by the actions of the individuals and, since the Donald has never had people torn apart by dogs, blown apart by heavy calibre machine guns, publicly murdered any of his relatives, tortured, starved or brutalised his population, I'm going to take his side against the guy who's done all those things.

Of course, but the bar for judging Trump's madness should be higher than it is Kim's and should be considered relative to the fundamental requirements for being President of America. The simple fact is that we can't rule out the possibility that Trump is sufficiently psychologically unhinged that he could lead us into a nuclear confrontation with NK for reasons more about his own psychological comfort than bumbling politics. That is a mad situation, at the very least.

[Burney]

There's actually people seriously discussing which one is madder

Better than that, here's one (by keen Islamist Mehdi Hasan) that says Trump is definitely madder. Seriously, there appears to be no depth to which the frothing-at-the-mouth anti-Trump lobby won't sink.

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/09/...t-kim-jong-un/

[Rich]

All you need to know is that North Korea is a belligerent rogue state that has repeatedly and explicitly threatened its neighbours and US territory with nuclear attack, but everything is still Donald Trump's fault for trying to actually do something about it.

It's all just posturing from Kim though, isn't it? Designed purely to impress his people and make him seem powerful. The Don knows that the Kim dynasty isn't suicidal and launching an attack on Guam or indeed any other US ally would result in the country being blown to kingdom-come and therefore the end of said dynasty.

[Pat Vegas]

It's all just posturing from Kim though, isn't it? Designed purely to impress his people and make him seem powerful. The Don knows that the Kim dynasty isn't suicidal and launching an attack on Guam or indeed any other US ally would result in the country being blown to kingdom-come and therefore the end of said dynasty.

Does this mean later on there will be Korean version Allans attacking us?

[Rich]

Does this mean later on there will be Korean version Allans attacking us?

I doubt it considering that very few of them have set up colonies in other lands. All the ones that are locked in there will be deaded.

[Burney]

It's all just posturing from Kim though, isn't it? Designed purely to impress his people and make him seem powerful. The Don knows that the Kim dynasty isn't suicidal and launching an attack on Guam or indeed any other US ally would result in the country being blown to kingdom-come and therefore the end of said dynasty.

Who knows? How long can such a regime be allowed to destabilise the region and threaten key US interests? There is no doubt he's building a nuclear weapons programme and wants ICBMs. At what point does the US act? Before he's achieved that or after?

[Rich]

Who knows? How long can such a regime be allowed to destabilise the region and threaten key US interests? There is no doubt he's building a nuclear weapons programme and wants ICBMs. At what point does the US act? Before he's achieved that or after?

Well my opinion is that he wants a nuclear arsenal to protect his dynasty from being overthrown in the same way that Gadaafi was. I assume that Kim is actually a very intelligent man and even if he believes his own bravado, will know that the use of a nuclear/conventional weapon on South Korea/Japan/US territory would result in the entire world (including maybe even China) deciding that he needed to be removed ASAP. This is not a battle that he would want.

[Burney]

I assume that Kim is actually a very intelligent man

I have literally no idea why you would assume that. His actions have increased his regime's chances of annihilation, not decreased them.