Not to sound ignorant

[Monty92]

There's actually people seriously discussing which one is madder

To be fair, none of us know quite how mad Trump is.

[Pat Vegas]

To be fair, none of us know quite how mad Trump is.

I thought it was going to be entertaining with him being president but it's ruined by all the constant outcry and trump discussions

The world is a very extremely boring place these days.

[Burney]

To be fair, none of us know quite how mad Trump is.

It's not really germane because the term is meaningless and entirely subjective. We can only judge by the actions of the individuals and, since the Donald has never had people torn apart by dogs, blown apart by heavy calibre machine guns, publicly murdered any of his relatives, tortured, starved or brutalised his population, I'm going to take his side against the guy who's done all those things.

[Monty92]

It's not really germane because the term is meaningless and entirely subjective. We can only judge by the actions of the individuals and, since the Donald has never had people torn apart by dogs, blown apart by heavy calibre machine guns, publicly murdered any of his relatives, tortured, starved or brutalised his population, I'm going to take his side against the guy who's done all those things.

Of course, but the bar for judging Trump's madness should be higher than it is Kim's and should be considered relative to the fundamental requirements for being President of America. The simple fact is that we can't rule out the possibility that Trump is sufficiently psychologically unhinged that he could lead us into a nuclear confrontation with NK for reasons more about his own psychological comfort than bumbling politics. That is a mad situation, at the very least.

[Burney]

Of course, but the bar for judging Trump's madness should be higher than it is Kim's and should be considered relative to the fundamental requirements for being President of America. The simple fact is that we can't rule out the possibility that Trump is sufficiently psychologically unhinged that he could lead us into a nuclear confrontation with NK for reasons more about his own psychological comfort than bumbling politics. That is a mad situation, at the very least.

Of all US Presidents, Kennedy came closest to tipping the world into nuclear war. Was he mad? Could you argue that even to consider the use of nuclear weapons is a sign of madness? He certainly had some very odd ideas.

Ultimately, I don't believe the whole armchair psychiatrist bit is very helpful. It's a stick to beat Trump with and nothing more. Viewed objectively, there is nothing inherently unhinged about the US making it clear that it is prepared to use its military capability to protect its allies and interests against what is plainly and explicitly a real threat posed by a belligerent power.

[World's End Stella]

Of all US Presidents, Kennedy came closest to tipping the world into nuclear war. Was he mad? Could you argue that even to consider the use of nuclear weapons is a sign of madness? He certainly had some very odd ideas.

Ultimately, I don't believe the whole armchair psychiatrist bit is very helpful. It's a stick to beat Trump with and nothing more. Viewed objectively, there is nothing inherently unhinged about the US making it clear that it is prepared to use its military capability to protect its allies and interests against what is plainly and explicitly a real threat posed by a belligerent power.

You would describe the Cuban missile crisis as Kennedy coming close to tipping the world into nuclear war?

You could make a pretty strong argument that he did very well to stop it from happening.

[Peter]

You would describe the Cuban missile crisis as Kennedy coming close to tipping the world into nuclear war?

You could make a pretty strong argument that he did very well to stop it from happening.

And was labelled as a communist for doing so.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

Not sure what the point of raking old ground is. You have a state here which survives on aid it receives from countries it is threatening. It gets away (literally) with murder and it develops weapons of mass destruction so that it can up the ante on its blackmail. Meanhile its people starve while the ruling family enjoys fabulous wealth.

Simple. It has to finish. they either live quietly within their means or they try and conquer countries to subjugate them in order to pay for their excesses. Since the second option is simply not going to happen they will have to be forced to backtrack. And if that means droppong nukes on them - always in response to their attacking first - then so be it.

[redgunamo]

Of course, but the bar for judging Trump's madness should be higher than it is Kim's and should be considered relative to the fundamental requirements for being President of America. The simple fact is that we can't rule out the possibility that Trump is sufficiently psychologically unhinged that he could lead us into a nuclear confrontation with NK for reasons more about his own psychological comfort than bumbling politics. That is a mad situation, at the very least.

Not really. That's just what the news business wants you to think, as their bogus anti-Donald narratives are a yuge money-spinner for them right now.