Google memo fella gone :-(

[Burney]

The objection to bum-bandits was never about individuals. It was about the promotion of homosexuality and how this may erode values that are important to the preservation of our civilisation - specifically those relating to the family unit.

Ultimately, this sentiment proved incompatible with our over-arching commitment to personal freedom, but the comparison with the kind of shít going on in the modern world simply doesn't stack up.

Well I think there is an argument that the promotion of homosexuality and similar causes has done precisely that. That isn't to say I wish we could go back to a less permissive time, but a number of babies have gone out with the bathwater - literally so in the case of the abortion debate. The fear is that, in moving away from a fairly restrictive and conservative society, we are simply moving to an equally restrictive 'progressive' model.

[Monty92]

Well I think there is an argument that the promotion of homosexuality and similar causes has done precisely that. That isn't to say I wish we could go back to a less permissive time, but a number of babies have gone out with the bathwater - literally so in the case of the abortion debate. The fear is that, in moving away from a fairly restrictive and conservative society, we are simply moving to an equally restrictive 'progressive' model.

Perhaps our best hope is the Allans. What happens when the inevitable culture clash takes place between gay/women hating Muzzies and progressives? Until now, as we know, the two sides have formed an unholy alliance, but that is purely a marriage of convenience to further each other's causes by shutting down opposing voices.

But what happens when 30, 40, 50 per cent of the country think that Gay Pride is an abomination? Could it be then that it all comes crashing down?

[Burney]

Perhaps our best hope is the Allans. What happens when the inevitable culture clash takes place between gay/women hating Muzzies and progressives? Until now, as we know, the two sides have formed an unholy alliance, but that is purely a marriage of convenience to further each other's causes by shutting down opposing voices.

But what happens when 30, 40, 50 per cent of the country think that Gay Pride is an abomination? Could it be then that it all comes crashing down?

This is the problem. This is the sort of shít that gives these people ammunition. It's easy for a Salafist preacher to point at the absurdities of the gender wars and say how corrupt, weak, stupid and decadent we are - because in that case it's largely true. We have made ourselves absurd and ridiculous and we have no apparent will to stop doing so.

[Monty92]

This is the problem. This is the sort of shít that gives these people ammunition. It's easy for a Salafist preacher to point at the absurdities of the gender wars and say how corrupt, weak, stupid and decadent we are - because in that case it's largely true. We have made ourselves absurd and ridiculous and we have no apparent will to stop doing so.

But what happens when their strength in numbers is such that they can, say, force a Gay Pride event to be cancelled because it is culturally insensitive to those of the Muslim faith? What do the progressives do then?

[Burney]

But what happens when their strength in numbers is such that they can, say, force a Gay Pride event to be cancelled because it is culturally insensitive to those of the Muslim faith? What do the progressives do then?

The progressives do nothing. They have already shown that when it comes to a choice between the risk of being called Islamophobic and compromising women's rights or gay rights, they'll do the latter every single time. Anything - ANYTHING - rather than be called racist.

[redgunamo]

The progressives do nothing. They have already shown that when it comes to a choice between the risk of being called Islamophobic and compromising women's rights or gay rights, they'll do the latter every single time. Anything - ANYTHING - rather than be called racist.

Which is how Europe actually opens a back door (not your mum's, this time) for Progressiveness in the UK; they don't mind being called racist there because .. concentration camps.

[redgunamo]

This is the problem. This is the sort of shít that gives these people ammunition. It's easy for a Salafist preacher to point at the absurdities of the gender wars and say how corrupt, weak, stupid and decadent we are - because in that case it's largely true. We have made ourselves absurd and ridiculous and we have no apparent will to stop doing so.

Apropos some other matter entirely, you mentioned communism the other week and it occurs to me that actually, our capitalism has exactly the same end in mind. Namely, the suppression of the "traditional" family, that thing that gives a man the will to stop a man doing stupid things. People with no attachments are far more maleable and available for work, aren't they.

Progressive Europeans argue that while having children is one thing, their upbringing is a different matter entirely and rightly ought to be the sole responsibility of the corporate state. So, why, and how, should individuals care about right and wrong when responsibility for the future, for the consequences, has been willingly, and wilfully, removed from them?