Burney, your analogy between our treatment of animals and prostitution seems flawed

[Monty92]

It wasn't an analogy, it was a benchmark of how, as a species, we are disinclined to allow questions of ethics to dominate our need to satiate our natural desires for pleasure. The point is that, after 10,000 years of civilisation, if we have only come that far on the commoditisation of human beings, how much further away do you think a worldwide moratorium on the commoditisation of animals is?

But I'm not talking about a moratorium. I'm talking about a shift in attitudes whereby eating dead animals comes with a social stigma.

In the case of prostitution, many people believe it should be legalised on the basis of libertarian values and/or pragmatism, whereby prostitutes would be better treated and safer if it was legal.

In other words, we are pretty close to a scenario in which being a licensed brothel owner or a pimp would go some way to losing its social stigma. But if you operated out of these regulatory parameters, say as a sex trafficker, the stigma would remain. And equally for those who use illegal or sex trafficked prostitutes instead of legal ones.

In a world in which animal farming was more strictly regulated, is it not possible that treating chickens as terribly as we do now would come with a similar social stigma?

[Burney]

But I'm not talking about a moratorium. I'm talking about a shift in attitudes whereby eating dead animals comes with a social stigma.

In the case of prostitution, many people believe it should be legalised on the basis of libertarian values and/or pragmatism, whereby prostitutes would be better treated and safer if it was legal.

In other words, we are pretty close to a scenario in which being a licensed brothel owner or a pimp would go some way to losing its social stigma. But if you operated out of these regulatory parameters, say as a sex trafficker, the stigma would remain. And equally for those who use illegal or sex trafficked prostitutes instead of legal ones.

In a world in which animal farming was more strictly regulated, is it not possible that treating chickens as terribly as we do now would come with a similar social stigma?

I think it's naive to suggest that whoremongering is ever going to lose its social stigma. In a society that values sexual fidelity in women, whoring will always have a stigma.

As things stand in general society, eating dead animals has zero social stigma - none. Where is the impetus going to come from to change that? Where is this stigma going to come from? Vegetarians and vegans? No-one really cares what they think. They've been banging on about it for years and the world is eating more meat than ever before.

[redgunamo]

I think it's naive to suggest that whoremongering is ever going to lose its social stigma. In a society that values sexual fidelity in women, whoring will always have a stigma.

As things stand in general society, eating dead animals has zero social stigma - none. Where is the impetus going to come from to change that? Where is this stigma going to come from? Vegetarians and vegans? No-one really cares what they think. They've been banging on about it for years and the world is eating more meat than ever before.

I think A (and possibly M too) is saying that whoremongering is essentially fine, so long as you don't call it that.

[Ash]

I think A (and possibly M too) is saying that whoremongering is essentially fine, so long as you don't call it that.

Yeah, more or less.

[Peter]

I think it's naive to suggest that whoremongering is ever going to lose its social stigma. In a society that values sexual fidelity in women, whoring will always have a stigma.

As things stand in general society, eating dead animals has zero social stigma - none. Where is the impetus going to come from to change that? Where is this stigma going to come from? Vegetarians and vegans? No-one really cares what they think. They've been banging on about it for years and the world is eating more meat than ever before.

The world is eating more meat because intensive farming and speedy exports are making it cheaper than ever before. This creates two additional concerns that are relatively new- carbon footprint, and the intense cruelty of intensive farming.

We have people suggesting there are 37 genders. Is it really inconceivable that people will start to turn their back on the farming industry, particularly as the alternatives become more freely accessible and whining ****s start to believe they are allergic to dairy?

The number of vegan companies in the UK has almost quadrupled in the last decade……

[Burney]

The world is eating more meat because intensive farming and speedy exports are making it cheaper than ever before. This creates two additional concerns that are relatively new- carbon footprint, and the intense cruelty of intensive farming.

We have people suggesting there are 37 genders. Is it really inconceivable that people will start to turn their back on the farming industry, particularly as the alternatives become more freely accessible and whining ****s start to believe they are allergic to dairy?

The number of vegan companies in the UK has almost quadrupled in the last decade……

The UK is not the world. It, like the rest of the west, is a declining, decadent place where faddish crankery is virtually the norm. This means that it will soon die and soon be replaced by some more vital, hungry culture that I can assure you will have no time for nonsense on stilts like animal rights.

[Peter]

The UK is not the world. It, like the rest of the west, is a declining, decadent place where faddish crankery is virtually the norm. This means that it will soon die and soon be replaced by some more vital, hungry culture that I can assure you will have no time for nonsense on stilts like animal rights.

Well thank you, Nostradamus. A valuable insight into the priorities of future cultures.

[Ash]

Well thank you, Nostradamus. A valuable insight into the priorities of future cultures.

Ritual slaughter is definitely the way to go.

[Peter]

Ritual slaughter is definitely the way to go.

I think we should only sell live meat. You want it, you have to kill it.

[Burney]

Well thank you, Nostradamus. A valuable insight into the priorities of future cultures.

Yes. I've got over my depression about the west going tits up by deciding that we fvcking well deserve to. Honestly, look at the fvcking ridiculous sh1t our society is now prepared to countenance as normal. We've disappeared up our own arses and fully deserve to burn. It's a shame for my daughter and currently non-existent grandchildren, but there's nothing to be done about it, I'm afraid. We're fvcked and we fully deserve to be.