Slightly :deviant: behaviour last night, watched the women's footy

[redgunamo]

I agree to a point. But I don't think it's quite right to lump Harris in with the middle class liberal intelligentsia, as he would be chucked out of your average Hamptons dinner party within 5 seconds of opening his mouth on most subjects.

The podcast is worth listening to, I think. The fella interviewed is non-political, and stays well away from the usual political talking points around Trump and instead attempts to defend his character in a thought-provoking way.

I can't do podcasts; listening to folk wittering on is hellish. What thoughts did he provoke?

[Monty92]

I can't do podcasts; listening to folk wittering on is hellish. What thoughts did he provoke?

Lots of thoughts.

He asked Harris what he'd prefer, the far right moving to the centre or the far left moving to the centre, and pointed out that no-one has done more in living memory to move more people from the far right to the centre than Trump.

Provoked my thought, anyhoo.

[redgunamo]

Lots of thoughts.

He asked Harris what he'd prefer, the far right moving to the centre or the far left moving to the centre, and pointed out that no-one has done more in living memory to move more people from the far right to the centre than Trump.

Provoked my thought, anyhoo.

Not bad, I guess. Damning with faint praise, they call it, I think.

[Burney]

Not bad, I guess. Damning with faint praise, they call it, I think.

He's only moved people in the sense that he's redefined what the centre is, though.

[Monty92]

He's only moved people in the sense that he's redefined what the centre is, though.

Not really. The policies he's implemented (or tried to) seem pretty conventionally centre right to me.

[Burney]

Not really. The policies he's implemented (or tried to) seem pretty conventionally centre right to me.

Oh, sure. But this is about what those labels had come to mean before him. He's redefined the centre as somewhere that the people who had been marginalised as 'deplorable' could feel they belonged again.
All regimes normalise their policy positions as the centre. In other words, the 'far right' was only called that by the left, who had also spent a lot of time defining the left as being the centre.

[redgunamo]

Oh, sure. But this is about what those labels had come to mean before him. He's redefined the centre as somewhere that the people who had been marginalised as 'deplorable' could feel they belonged again.
All regimes normalise their policy positions as the centre. In other words, the 'far right' was only called that by the left, who had also spent a lot of time defining the left as being the centre.

Yes, rather like labelling any of your players that doesn't play at the back or in goal as a striker, or potential striker, right up until the moment you actually sign a striker.

[Peter]

Oh, sure. But this is about what those labels had come to mean before him. He's redefined the centre as somewhere that the people who had been marginalised as 'deplorable' could feel they belonged again.
All regimes normalise their policy positions as the centre. In other words, the 'far right' was only called that by the left, who had also spent a lot of time defining the left as being the centre.

He is rather difficult to define in this sense. The link between policy and rhetoric is not always straightforward with him and, quite frankly, he talks a lot of nonsensical *******s. Many of his moves are indistinguishable from most Republican Presidents but the way he goes about it is rather different. Or at least the way he describes it is.

His 'unconventional' approach is what people admire. Even if it leads to conventional actions.