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Thread: Now I'm no fan of retrospective political correctness, but on balance, even I'll

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Brentwood View Post
    Reminds me of my favourite ever clip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcaPNwjOYM
    How have I never heard that before?

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by eastgermanautos View Post
    The mores of the settlers? Haha. The mores is they were a bunch of fvckheads, one step ahead of the law in their old countries.
    The settlers in New Zealand were all dour, dull-as-fückery scotchers. This is why the place is so cock-achingly dull today.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    It's true enough that times and mores change and we adjust accordingly; one just wonders how far your story is from this story. Not very far at all, I'd suggest. A slippery slope?

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...age-harper-lee
    A linked piece from there refers to an instance where parents were required to give permission for their child to read Farenheit 451.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...s-for-children

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    A linked piece from there refers to an instance where parents were required to give permission for their child to read Farenheit 451.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...s-for-children
    They'll be burning books within 12 months, trust me. (That doesn't mean they'll also burn people. That's patent nonsense.)

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    They'll be burning books within 12 months, trust me. (That doesn't mean they'll also burn people. That's patent nonsense.)
    You mean pagan nonsense
    10 characters? Pile of cund.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    A linked piece from there refers to an instance where parents were required to give permission for their child to read Farenheit 451.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...s-for-children
    LOL! You have to admire the sheer lack of awareness that has to go into something like that.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    LOL! You have to admire the sheer lack of awareness that has to go into something like that.
    This is a cyclical thing. We Americans are an incredibly ignorant bunch. I can remember reading a sanitized version of the Canterbury Tales when I was a kid. But they would change things to eliminate, not just the sexy bits, but the poetry. It's like, poetry bad.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by eastgermanautos View Post
    This is a cyclical thing. We Americans are an incredibly ignorant bunch. I can remember reading a sanitized version of the Canterbury Tales when I was a kid. But they would change things to eliminate, not just the sexy bits, but the poetry. It's like, poetry bad.
    Everyone is, in a way. Just by circumstances usually. Even though she loves him to bits, as does everyone else, of course, until I took her to see the Sweeney Todd movie, my wife had never actually heard Johnnie Depp's voice. She's foreign, see, and all the movies and television they import is dubbed and translated and therefore naturally re-interpreted.

    Profound really, and rather sad.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    I would argue that the book exists in a clear historical context and thus can be read in that context. The place names, on the other hand, exist in the modern day and - in the context of modern mores - are clearly no longer appropriate or fit for purpose.
    Exactly. Look at the language Flashman uses in GMF's novels. He's simply being historically accurate. His description of early Singapore, for example, (in the one about the White Raja and the South Sea pirates), gave me a better feel than anything in my OU course. (Though admittedly we didn't actually study the place until c.1900 coroner's reports.)

    But anyone reading his books knows that he has complete respect for the natives (gained from his time as a teenage soldier in Burma explained in his autobiog on the subject, Quartered Safe Out Here.)

    I'd hate for those to be banned. Anyone taking offence at Flashman's racist language has completely missed the point of the books, both in GMF's view of the non-white races and in his quest for creating a historically accurate feeling of the period.

    How on earth would we be able to study history if every primary source that contained racist (or otherwise offensive to modern tastes) language was censored or banned? Surely these yank kids need to know how badly their fellow septics were treated just because of their skin colour, what they were fighting for, what happened after the civil war to keep them down, why they still needed a civil rights movement a century after the war and why we still have things like BLM (for all their faults) nowadays?

    I'm afraid I never agree with censoring history. Goes against my core beliefs.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by eastgermanautos View Post
    The mores of the settlers? Haha. The mores is they were a bunch of fvckheads, one step ahead of the law in their old countries.
    Actually, in NZ they weren't.

    Studied this and read lots of primary sources, diaries and letters explaining why they were going, the voyage, and the lives they made out there of all different social classes as well as the adverts and publicity of the company running the show.

    So I'm sorry, but that is completely untrue.

    {I have no love of NZ, never been there, only ever had one mate from there or whatever. It's not like me banging on about India. It's just what I studied.}

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