C'mon out MONTY!!! We want to talk football with you

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Your initial post on this:

'In other words, no club (whether they've stuck with the same manager or chopped and changed every year or two) has managed to successfully challenge the hegemony of clubs that have either been financially doped or have come from a historical base of being a far bigger and richer club. '

Arsenal on a historical basis are one the biggest clubs in England and we are currently one of the 10 richest clubs in the world. On that basis we would be part of the hegemony.

And please don't tell me that we can't compete with City and Chelsea's money. You aren't really desperate enough to fall back to that one after it has been proven to be such utter nonsense over and over again?

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Are you serious?? You think we could start spending that kind of money on a regular basis?

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Originally Posted by Ash

Pffft. They have won the league less times than Leicester since football was invented in 1992.

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I remember reading a Julian Barnes short story in which he imagined heaven. One of the impossible things that happened to him every day was that Leicester won the league. Because, of course, this did seem utterly impossible. :-(

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Originally Posted by Burney

I remember reading a Julian Barnes short story in which he imagined heaven. One of the impossible things that happened to him every day was that Leicester won the league. Because, of course, this did seem utterly impossible. :-(

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Fewer times, b. You let Ash off the hook there.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Fewer times, b. You let Ash off the hook there.

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I did. Deliberately. I'm turning over a new leaf.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I did. Deliberately. I'm turning over a new leaf.

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What happens if you turn over an old leaf?

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Your initial post on this:

'In other words, no club (whether they've stuck with the same manager or chopped and changed every year or two) has managed to successfully challenge the hegemony of clubs that have either been financially doped or have come from a historical base of being a far bigger and richer club. '

Arsenal on a historical basis are one the biggest clubs in England and we are currently one of the 10 richest clubs in the world. On that basis we would be part of the hegemony.

And please don't tell me that we can't compete with City and Chelsea's money. You aren't really desperate enough to fall back to that one after it has been proven to be such utter nonsense over and over again?

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I don't know how close we now are to being able to match them financially nowadays - I'd certainly be very surprised if we're on a par.

But I think a strong legacy factor is at play that makes them more attractive than us, and that is due to factors partly out of our control. I think this holds back Liverpool and Spurs as well.

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Originally Posted by Peter

What happens if you turn over an old leaf?

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Groundhog day innit. :shout: :mad:

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Originally Posted by Peter

Are you serious?? You think we could start spending that kind of money on a regular basis?

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No, I meant that you can compete with a club on the pitch without spending the same amount i.e. Leicester, Dortumund, AM and Arsenal 97-04

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Originally Posted by Peter

Are you serious?? You think we could start spending that kind of money on a regular basis?

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No, but I think his point is that we could conceivably start competing with them at football on a regular basis, regardless of spending money.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

No, I meant that you can compete with a club on the pitch without spending the same amount i.e. Leicester, Dortumund, AM and Arsenal 97-04

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These examples show that it is a possibility, not that it is a given. Or a slam-dunk as your sort would put it.