Even Villa look like going out to Lille.

[Peter]

He's never been a popular choice though as many, with some justification, believe him to be an out-of-his-depth yes-man who ought to have no business leading such a great crop of players. Not even sure if actually winning the Euros would've helped; people would simply have demanded the World Cup on top as a bare minimum.

Similar situation to Jogi Löw with Germany; they hardly left the tournament podium in a decade but his critics still felt he was a failure, that he should actually have won them all.

I'm not sure what a good international manager looks like. It seems like a stupid and thankless job. You have no time with the players so you are really just picking a team and making a speech. Get stuck in, play for the badge, we can beat these etc

I think Venables was good at it because he had the ability to get simple ideas across to players quickly. But modern coaches, and their tactics, physical preparation etc.... it just isn't possible to recreate that.

[redgunamo]

I'm not sure what a good international manager looks like. It seems like a stupid and thankless job. You have no time with the players so you are really just picking a team and making a speech. Get stuck in, play for the badge, we can beat these etc

I think Venables was good at it because he had the ability to get simple ideas across to players quickly. But modern coaches, and their tactics, physical preparation etc.... it just isn't possible to recreate that.

Piece of piss, you'd think. Wear the blazer & tie, belt out the National Anthem and the job's a good 'un.

Today we simply have no footballistic ( ) identity that everybody buys into, unlike the Italians and the Germans, say. Or even the French. Our game has sadly been corrupted by foreigners for far too long and nowadays we don't know whether we are coming or going.

I blame Wenger, even though he WAS instrumental in delivering Brexit, as a small consolation.

[Peter]

Piece of piss, you'd think. Wear the blazer & tie, belt out the National Anthem and the job's a good 'un.

Today we simply have no footballistic ( ) identity that everybody buys into, unlike the Italians and the Germans, say. Or even the French. Our game has sadly been corrupted by foreigners for far too long and nowadays we don't know whether we are coming or going.

I blame Wenger, even though he WAS instrumental in delivering Brexit, as a small consolation.

We have a group of strong technical players now- saka, foden, grealish, bellingham, rashford etc. And a top class centre forward who wins a free kick every time someone glares at him.

We are not exactly blessed with the beat defenders but they are not bad. Shedding our football identity was well overdue.

[redgunamo]

We have a group of strong technical players now- saka, foden, grealish, bellingham, rashford etc. And a top class centre forward who wins a free kick every time someone glares at him.

We are not exactly blessed with the beat defenders but they are not bad. Shedding our football identity was well overdue.

That's the trouble, I'm afraid, that's what I mean; if international football isn't about identity then what IS it about.

[Peter]

That's the trouble, I'm afraid, that's what I mean; if international football isn't about identity then what IS it about.

Advertising, pub revenue and corruption, as far as I can make out. And of course spreading a positive message about LGBTQ to some of the most viciously homophobic places on earth, where it is received with a welcome befitting a fart in an astronaut suit

[redgunamo]

Advertising, pub revenue and corruption, as far as I can make out. And of course spreading a positive message about LGBTQ to some of the most viciously homophobic places on earth, where it is received with a welcome befitting a fart in an astronaut suit

Wembley Stadium, d'you mean? In fairness, I understand things HAVE improved in recent years.

[Peter]

Wembley Stadium, d'you mean? In fairness, I understand things HAVE improved in recent years.

Well I was referring to Russia and Qatar, mainly.

Wembley proving itself incapable of hosting a big football match was rather amusing, to be honest