Let's forget about yesterday. Dwelling on that is not the answer.

[redgunamo]

Are we back to redefining success again?

I thought we'd done all that. I thought we wanted to be a football club again. One that sought to achieve rhe statistical anomaly of winning something... sometimes.

And if we are determined to lose, do we have to lose ugly?

We've always been that way; winning something sometimes

[Peter]

But red?s point which you did not address is a fair one, Peter. Form suggests that under Arteta these chances will not come every 10-15 years but far more frequently.

So no need to panic then.

With respect, what we do does not create those opportunities. It just puts us in a position to take advantage of them.

Which we are currently failing to do.

[redgunamo]

With respect, what we do does not create those opportunities. It just puts us in a position to take advantage of them.

Which we are currently failing to do.

I really get the impression Mikel (with all his faults, inexperience etc.) is truly baked into this venture for the long haul, since KSE took full ownership of the club. Which is great if you love him, as I do, despite him not having been my ideal choice; possibly not so great if you're not all that bothered who our manager is or even fancy somebody else.

Anyway, they all (we all!) tolerated Wenger for fourteen years without a league title, nine of which went by without winning any trophy at all. Arteta possibly has a higher ceiling than that, and certainly a higher floor. That'll do, unless we've all been digesting too much anti-Arsenal messaging from our friends in the North-West. Obviously, and tellingly, they want him out.

[Peter]

I really get the impression Mikel (with all his faults, inexperience etc.) is truly baked into this venture for the long haul, since KSE took full ownership of the club. Which is great if you love him, as I do, despite him not having been my ideal choice; possibly not so great if you're not all that bothered who our manager is or even fancy somebody else.

Anyway, they all (we all!) tolerated Wenger for fourteen years without a league title, nine of which went by without winning any trophy at all. Arteta possibly has a higher ceiling than that, and certainly a higher floor. That'll do, unless we've all been digesting too much anti-Arsenal messaging from our friends in the North-West. Obviously, and tellingly, they want him out.

I think you are right, and he will be here for a while.

I just hope he changes a bit. We are due some fun

[redgunamo]

I think you are right, and he will be here for a while.

I just hope he changes a bit. We are due some fun

I love watching us play.

It's even better when we win, of course, but the game's the thing; you have to enjoy it or what's the point of it.

[Peter]

I love watching us play.

It's even better when we win, of course, but the game's the thing; you have to enjoy it or what's the point of it.

I dont enjoy it.

It is like watching someone repeatedly burn your toast and being unable to stop them doing it.

And three days later, in go another two slices....

[Peter]

But red?s point which you did not address is a fair one, Peter. Form suggests that under Arteta these chances will not come every 10-15 years but far more frequently.

So no need to panic then.

Something you said earlier is bugging me- that sometimes the good performances can make the bad ones all the more frustrating.

That's it- it's Dubai. Without that form after Dubai, I would just assume that Arteta is incapable of coaching anything else.

But he isnt. Did he not like those performances? Or does he prefer these? Or is he unable to recapture whatever spirit they found out there?

That is what bugs me. Can he not see where it is going wrong?