Amorim gone!

[Peter]

His relationship with the owners too, of course. I remember Josh Kroenke was very visible and re-assuring in the public eye when Arteta took over.

Sort of 'we are 100% sure we have the right man and will continue to back you until it comes good'

Yes. The owners have to agree on the model. What we had under Emery was a complete mess. And the transfers reflected that. All over the place.

I think they trusted Edu and he was a huge part of hiring Arteta. Between them, they did a superb job in turning things around. And it took a while.....

[Pat Vegas]

Might just be me but I was shocked to notice that they are in 6th and only 3 points off the CL.

How the f*ck did that happen given how **** they've been?

the table is strange. (although it's just maths)
one min chelsea were title contenders are now 17 points behind us.

and liverpool who seemed to lose every week are 4th,

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Ineos have hardly covered themselves in glory. Retaining ten bob Hag after the FA Cup final then binning him off a few months into the new season. The Dan Ashworth chappie as director of football. Amorin. Despite being 6th in the table (level on points with 5th).

Fergie in!

Does make you realise how lucky we've been since Don Howe went.

Since the summer of '86, we've had one year of Rioch, one and a half of Gub Ebening, and over 35 of Arsene, GG {him, not me} and MA.

I do like stability. I don't think I could handle it if we changed managers every 2-3 years like most clubs. I'd get all discombobulated.

[PSRB]

His relationship with the owners too, of course. I remember Josh Kroenke was very visible and re-assuring in the public eye when Arteta took over.

Sort of 'we are 100% sure we have the right man and will continue to back you until it comes good'

I see Edu is on very thin ice at Forest, always seemed a slightly dangerous move with that lunatic owner.

[redgunamo]

Hilarious.. They're in such a mess.

Never had a chance really, once it was allowed to became clear that he was practically wedded to a particular formation and style of play, regardless of results and available resources (praise his virtues so hard to the point that they becomes vices). You can do that after a year or two, once you've proved yourself, but not from the start.

I mean; is he a coach or is he not. If he is then he should get on and COACH! If I'm a fat, gin-sodden club director, what the hell do I know or care about football tactics and formations and whatnot. That's why I hired a coach!

[redgunamo]

Yes. The owners have to agree on the model. What we had under Emery was a complete mess. And the transfers reflected that. All over the place.

I think they trusted Edu and he was a huge part of hiring Arteta. Between them, they did a superb job in turning things around. And it took a while.....

Is it terribly old-fashioned to believe results are more important than transfers, to a manager's prospects.

After all, Mikel was not "given" billions to spend on goal-shy superstar strikers; he had to EARN them. With Champions League qualifications and so on.

[Peter]

Is it terribly old-fashioned to believe results are more important than transfers, to a manager's prospects.

After all, Mikel was not "given" billions to spend on goal-shy superstar strikers; he had to EARN them. With Champions League qualifications and so on.

I don't think you can build a team without getting the transfers right. That doesn't mean spending billions or buying the very best. It means buying the right players, the ones you need. If you keep buying the wrong ones you are never going to get anywhere.

Arteta could not have changed the club without us getting that part right.

[redgunamo]

I don't think you can build a team without getting the transfers right. That doesn't mean spending billions or buying the very best. It means buying the right players, the ones you need. If you keep buying the wrong ones you are never going to get anywhere.

Arteta could not have changed the club without us getting that part right.

I mean coaching a team and getting results BEFORE YOU START building it. What's the use in throwing money after a manager who can't (or hasn't yet shown he can) get results.

Talking more about Amorim, I suppose. Manchester United already had a squad of players when he joined them.

[Peter]

I mean coaching a team and getting results BEFORE YOU START building it. What's the use in throwing money after a manager who can't (or hasn't yet shown he can) get results.

Talking more about Amorim, I suppose. Manchester United already had a squad of players when he joined them.

I take your point. But I don't think that getting the transfers right is a decision so much as an ability, based on clear decision making and an agreed focus.

Obviously you have to appoint the right coach as well, and one that fits with your transfer strategy. And then you have to spend well.

You have to get both right. My point with United is that the problem isnt the manager, it's the structure and the people making those decisions. No manager could resolve this.

Look at the 3-4-3 nonsense. If they don't want a coach who plays 3-4-3, why did they appoint one?

Idiocy. They made the same mistakes with the previous manager. He wanted a high pressing side that played out of the back. So they spent a fortune on a 30 year old midfielder and left him with a keeper who couldn't kick and Harry Maguire at centre back.

All over the shop

[PSRB]

Never had a chance really, once it was allowed to became clear that he was practically wedded to a particular formation and style of play, regardless of results and available resources (praise his virtues so hard to the point that they becomes vices). You can do that after a year or two, once you've proved yourself, but not from the start.

I mean; is he a coach or is he not. If he is then he should get on and COACH! If I'm a fat, gin-sodden club director, what the hell do I know or care about football tactics and formations and whatnot. That's why I hired a coach!

A bit like AW but by that point he didn't have the players and/or finances to get the ones that fit.