We're going to be runners up again. :-(

[Peter]

We already do. I can just about forgive not getting Owen or Sassoon but if you don't think smack and Kulha Khan put the heating on do you want me to put the heating on? Put the heating on?e3|"?W
Warm, warm cold hot do you know? I need really do you think wants his daughter the fewwucking freaks when he does all the ****ing confusion work? Does he ****?

Someone started early

[Peter]

Yup. All I was trying to do was show that while your modern nation state theory could be made to conveniently fit Germany, it doesn't explain Dreyfus and France.

The difference with here though is that they were chucked out in what, the 12th or 13th century, and didn't come back until Cromwell.

By which time we had those dastardly Papists as our "others". We were happy to have a Jewish Prime Minister in the mid to late Victorian era. We'd have never had a Catholic.

Well, a Jewish Prime Minister who converted to Christianity as a child, yes.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

If you describe Leonard Cohen as a 'songwriter' again, we are going to have a problem.....

Doesn't the fact that he was an excellent songwriter hold any water with you P? Just because his lyrics are also excellent poetry doesn't mean they aren't songs surely? If the issue is that you just don't like him as an artist then you and I will have a problem.

"And we read from pleasant Bibles,
that are bound in blood and skin
That the wilderness is gathering all
its children back again"

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

I have never really understood what the Jews have done wrong. Why are they persecuted by so many?

They seem to largely mind their own business and share strong western values.

Weird.

Puzzles me too Rich. Maybe it's because they are so irrefutably bloody clever.

[Peter]

Doesn't the fact that he was an excellent songwriter hold any water with you P? Just because his lyrics are also excellent poetry doesn't mean they aren't songs surely? If the issue is that you just don't like him as an artist then you and I will have a problem.

"And we read from pleasant Bibles,
that are bound in blood and skin
That the wilderness is gathering all
its children back again"

He was a poet, a songwriter, a lover..... he was everything. My north, my south, my east and west.

To hear him dismissed as merely a songwriter.... that cannot stand unchallenged.

[WES]

He was a poet, a songwriter, a lover..... he was everything. My north, my south, my east and west.

To hear him dismissed as merely a songwriter.... that cannot stand unchallenged.

Leonard Cohen and John McCrae in the same thread.

Amazing people those Canadians

[Peter]

Leonard Cohen and John McCrae in the same thread.

Amazing people those Canadians

And we haven't done Neil Young yet

[WES]

And we haven't done Neil Young yet

Nor Bryan Adams

[Peter]

Nor Bryan Adams

You had to ruin it...

[WES]

You had to ruin it...

Have You Ever Really Loved a Woman is good. And I have a soft spot for Cuts Like a Knife as I was in my first year of Uni