For the first time in my life I have a dog

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

My objection to what The Boss is currently saying at his gigs is not so much about Trump himself. In that I agree, the guy is a ****ing pig and unfit for office.

But I don't buy the idea of the USA being this shining beacon of hope, liberty and justice for 250 years, and certainly not from a man who has made a very good living in the last 50 of those years by writing about the difference between that myth and the American reality.

While he was recording Born To Run, Richard Nixon was disgracing the Office and dragging the US Presidency through its darkest hours of deceit and corruption. So I am afraid I can't agree that Trump has corrupted a great and unsullied institution.

More the latest in a long line of arrogant, self aggrandising dickheads who put themselves before the Office.

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[Peter]

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Nixon only resigned so that his vice president could pardon him. He did it to keep himself out of nick.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

Nixon only resigned so that his vice president could pardon him. He did it to keep himself out of nick.

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[PSRB]

Sadly departed BiL?

Wife's older brother, died during 2nd lockdown

[redgunamo]

Nixon only resigned so that his vice president could pardon him. He did it to keep himself out of nick.

He shouldn't have walked, he wouldn't have needed a pardon but it was different times. The whole sorry business was clearly a huge embarrassment; unforgivable incompetence basically.

A president is absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for conduct within their "exclusive sphere of constitutional authority," which includes running the intelligence agencies. Their supreme court agreed with this just last year.

[WES]

He shouldn't have walked, he wouldn't have needed a pardon but it was different times. The whole sorry business was clearly a huge embarrassment; unforgivable incompetence basically.

A president is absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for conduct within their "exclusive sphere of constitutional authority," which includes running the intelligence agencies. Their supreme court agreed with this just last year.

Pretty sure the constitution of the US of A does not allow the president to approve the bugging of the offices of his competitors.

Message reported to G Gordon Liddy

[Peter]

He shouldn't have walked, he wouldn't have needed a pardon but it was different times. The whole sorry business was clearly a huge embarrassment; unforgivable incompetence basically.

A president is absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for conduct within their "exclusive sphere of constitutional authority," which includes running the intelligence agencies. Their supreme court agreed with this just last year.

He should have walked, and he shouldn't have been pardoned. For his actions prior to the election in 68 he should have been tried for treason. The guy was unbelievable.

[redgunamo]

Pretty sure the constitution of the US of A does not allow the president to approve the bugging of the offices of his competitors.

Message reported to G Gordon Liddy

Yeah, it does. National Security, innit.

Mind you, you can blame National Security for anything nowadays, as the man said.

[Peter]

Yeah, it does. National Security, innit.

Mind you, you can blame National Security for anything nowadays, as the man said.

Only when done under the auspices of National Security and through the appropriate channels. It doesn't permit the President's re election campaign officials to hire a bunch of second rate gas meter thieves to break in and then lie about it.

Nixon committed a number of significant criminal offences. Without that pardon, he was in big trouble.

[redgunamo]

Only when done under the auspices of National Security and through the appropriate channels. It doesn't permit the President's re election campaign officials to hire a bunch of second rate gas meter thieves to break in and then lie about it.

Nixon committed a number of significant criminal offences. Without that pardon, he was in big trouble.

No. A president doesn't need permission, the office of president is the permission, he is the appropriate channels! As the nation's chief law enforcement officer, all law enforcement reports to him. And if anybody doesn't like it they can impeach him.

Essentially the pardon, following his resignation, was to bring an end to the national disaster and allow everyone to move on; at that point, his opponents had got their man. No need to rub it in further.