And if that doesn't get the mad dog Oranje in the North kicking off then nothing will.
This should be quite amusing.
And if that doesn't get the mad dog Oranje in the North kicking off then nothing will.
Ironically, of course, it makes a united Ireland less rather than more likely in the short to medium term. It's one thing asking moderate protestants in the north if they want to join a united Ireland run by an Indian shirtlifter. It's quite another to ask them if they want to join one where the Provos who murdered relatives of theirs have won the majority vote and there are actual murderers sitting in the Dáil.
That is the reason for the existence of the two parties, yes. Of course, that does mean there are other differences: FG traditonally tend to do better in middle-class areas like South Dublin; while FF is traditionally more nationalist and the party of culchies and chaps with the arse out of their trousers who live in bogs and craggy outcrops. However, there is little or no ideological difference between them in terms of economic or social policy.
Fine Gael were pro-Treaty (Michael Collins, etc), while Fianna Fail were anti-Treaty (DeValera). They were the sides in the Civil War, basically. And yes, FF are more likely to get into bed with SF - almost certainly will, in fact (despite saying they wouldn't) because they're lying, crooked, devious, culchie scum.
Varadkar was FG.
Essentially, yes. The anti-Treaty forces wanted to continue the war until all war aims (ie a united, independent Ireland) were met. The war took the form of skirmishes, assassinations and ambushes (in one of which Collins was killed in West Cork). There was one instance of a rising in Dublin, where the Anti-Treaty forces seized the Four Courts. Amusingly, the British Army had to lend the Pro-Treaty government artillery in order to put this down.
Ultimately, it was a war between pragmatic compromise and impossible, die-hard idealism
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