They're not going to sack him.

[Sir C]

Ahh, but our Political expert was talking about this at work (he used to work for the Labour Party),thay have reworked their models and are confident that it won't happen again (they would say that).

2017 was the first GE that the polls had been miles out

Please God he's right.

[Pokster]

Please God he's right.

Tory win quite easily, SNP retake nearly all the Scottish seats, Brexit party actually hurts the Labour party more than the Tory party

[Ash]

Tory win quite easily, SNP retake nearly all the Scottish seats, Brexit party actually hurts the Labour party more than the Tory party

That still probably won't stop Berni calling the BXP mongs.

Always a tough gig for Labour with their support split between metropolitan middle-class remainers and traditional working-class leavers. As it turns out (seemingly) rejecting any Brexit deal that doesn't include all of the benefits of EU membership is unrealistic and pretending that this election is not about Brexit is never going to fly either.

[Pokster]

That still probably won't stop Berni calling the BXP mongs.

Always a tough gig for Labour with their support split between metropolitan middle-class remainers and traditional working-class leavers. As it turns out (seemingly) rejecting any Brexit deal that doesn't include all of the benefits of EU membership is unrealistic and pretending that this election is not about Brexit is never going to fly either.

I can never work out how voting for whichever party fits in with your beliefs can cause some people to say it is a wasted vote.

[Sir C]

I can never work out how voting for whichever party fits in with your beliefs can cause some people to say it is a wasted vote.

I think it's an issue of logic.

The Brexit Party isn't going to win a majority in parliament. If you vote BXP in a marginal constituency and thereby enable Labour or the LibDems to win the seat, you're decreasing the likelihood of Brexit taking place.

So you've just stiffed yourself

[Pokster]

I think it's an issue of logic.

The Brexit Party isn't going to win a majority in parliament. If you vote BXP in a marginal constituency and thereby enable Labour or the LibDems to win the seat, you're decreasing the likelihood of Brexit taking place.

So you've just stiffed yourself

You assume a Brexit voter would be a Tory otherwise. A hell of a lot of Brexit voters will be ex Labour who could never vote Tory as they will be shat on from a great height by all the other policy's they have, so in effect they either vote Brexit or abstain

[Ash]

You assume a Brexit voter would be a Tory otherwise. A hell of a lot of Brexit voters will be ex Labour who could never vote Tory as they will be shat on from a great height by all the other policy's they have, so in effect they either vote Brexit or abstain

Indeed. Besides, both principled and tactical voting are legitimate decisions.

[Sir C]

You assume a Brexit voter would be a Tory otherwise. A hell of a lot of Brexit voters will be ex Labour who could never vote Tory as they will be shat on from a great height by all the other policy's they have, so in effect they either vote Brexit or abstain

But if they're considering voting Brexit one must assume that their overwhelming concern is, to coin a phrase, 'get Brexit done'. Does it not, therefore, make sense for them to vote for the only party who will actually 'get Brexit done'?*

(*Not that they will, mind.)

[Pokster]

But if they're considering voting Brexit one must assume that their overwhelming concern is, to coin a phrase, 'get Brexit done'. Does it not, therefore, make sense for them to vote for the only party who will actually 'get Brexit done'?*

(*Not that they will, mind.)

No, because this is a GE not a ref', so why vote for the tory party if you believe that the other policy's they have go against everything you believe in. And unless I have missed something, the LIB DEMS have said they will cancel it, the Labour party have said a second people vote is they way to go.

[Ash]

But if they're considering voting Brexit one must assume that their overwhelming concern is, to coin a phrase, 'get Brexit done'. Does it not, therefore, make sense for them to vote for the only party who will actually 'get Brexit done'?*

(*Not that they will, mind.)

Depends what 'getting Brexit done' means, and what a voter might want from it. If you're a fisherman who thinks the MayBoris deal is no good for them, or someone who believes that we should invest nationally in high-tech manufacturing, then the Tory deal is not as attractive as a Brexit Party WTO deal where we are really free to choose our direction.