Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
The Guardian is a fervently anti-Russian publication btw, and I understand the JIT is using Ukrainian sources while rejecting Russian ones. Hardly balanced. I can't find the link right now where the Ukrainian mililtary claimed to have had the border with Russia completely sealed at the time this alleged missile system crossed the border but if you are genuinely interested I can try and dig it up for you. I think you will find that pro-Kiev forces had BUK missiles too, FWIW.

And a mistake isn't a motive, as I said earlier.

No, Vlado doesn't have a video of me pissing on prostitues. Would you like to talk about Trump-Russia too, and how those allegations against Russia are going after a year and a half of intensive investigations?

Or are you only really interested in making personal attacks against me for not subscribing to the prevailing narrative?
The motive being a mistake was a tongue in cheek comment, thought that was obvious. Same with the pissing prostitutes. They made a mistake and then covered it up for obvious reasons.

You know why I think you lack objectivity on this subject, Ash. It's because your justifications for you skepticism are illogical and you are not an illogical man.

See above. First you claim that the Ukrainian sources can't be trusted. Then you claim the Russians couldn't have shot down the airliner because the Ukrainians claimed to have sealed the border at the time. So sometimes you can trust the Ukrainians and others you can't? And it's beyond the realm of possibility that when they claimed the border was sealed they were wrong?

Sorry, that's just illogical and suggests a lack of objectivity.