Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
The MOST CREDIBLE argument is a theological debate. One could argue that the original form of any religion is the most credible. Why do you give a **** about theological credibility? You think the whole thing is *******s, so do I.

Neither of us are really talking about religion here, we are talking about behaviours. THe strict interpretation is the most dangerous and is the one we all want to avoid. The ultimate test of a religious faith is its ability to stay socially and morally relevant within the broadest confines of its main tenets. Credibility doesnt mend the roof.

The challenge for Islam in the rest of the world is how deeply it is woven into the fabric of economics, politics and law in the states it dominates, most obviously Pakistan. That doesn't have to be a challenge here.

Well we don't seem to be doing a very good job of that, since we are encouraging faith schools that propagate precisely that strain of Islam, are allowing that form of Islam to build Mosques and 'cultural centres' in which individuals are indoctrinated with that form of Islam to hate this country, the west and perpetrate acts of terror against their fellow countrymen.

Meanwhile, we are also refusing to crack down on the manifestations of exactly that barbaric form of Islam in the name of 'diversity': celebrating the hijab as a feminist symbol; turning a blind eye to muslim hatred of Jews and homosexuals and their systematic oppression of women; refusing to treat Muslim preaching as the hate speech that it is; ignoring rape gangs (or, where they are finally prosecuted, refusing to mention the fact that almost all the perpetrators are muslim); not prosecuting for FGM etc, etc.

And, of course, we are busy importing more people who hold these views. And if you criticise this stance or point these things out, you are labelled a racist, an Islamophobe or threatened with prosecution for hate speech.

This is a profoundly damaging and unhappy situation. It has been brought about by weakness and hyper-sensitivity about racism to the detriment of the operation of a safe, law-abiding and functioning society. It has become clear to millions that you and your ilk are prepared to sacrifice pretty much everything and everybody to your specious notions of 'diversity' and anti-racism and are reaching a point where they are prepared to stand up and tell the truth rather than cower for fear of being called 'racist'.