C'mon out MONTY!!! We want to talk football with you

[World's End Stella]

Right, and demonstrably they wouldn't accept it as they've all opted for another method - changing the manager every season or two. And has it worked? Nope.

Well yes, yes it has. As a very large number of teams with significantly less resources than us have either won or challenged for the league while we routinely exit the league in Feb/March. Tottenham, Leicester and Liverpool come to mind just in the PL. Now add in Atletico Madrid, Dortmund and Monaco to name just a few.

I'm actually astonished that even someone as obsequious as you is still fighting this fight.

Thanks for joining and making the thread a success, Monty old bean.

[Monty92]

Ah, we're here again with the semantics of the word 'challenge', aren't we?

There's no semantics. Peter claims Spurs have challenged the hegemony for the past two years yet also claims we haven't done so for a decade, yet we finished above spurs two years ago!

[Sir C]

Well yes, yes it has. As a very large number of teams with significantly less resources than us have either won or challenged for the league while we routinely exit the league in Feb/March. Tottenham, Leicester and Liverpool come to mind just in the PL. Now add in Atletico Madrid, Dortmund and Monaco to name just a few.

I'm actually astonished that even someone as obsequious as you is still fighting this fight.

Thanks for joining and making the thread a success, Monty old bean.

You don't know what obsequious means, do you?

[Peter]

But we finished above them two years ago and you've previously said we've not challenged the hegemony in a decade

You remember how that happened, right?

[Monty92]

Well yes, yes it has. As a very large number of teams with significantly less resources than us have either won or challenged for the league while we routinely exit the league in Feb/March. Tottenham, Leicester and Liverpool come to mind just in the PL. Now add in Atletico Madrid, Dortmund and Monaco to name just a few.

I'm actually astonished that even someone as obsequious as you is still fighting this fight.

Thanks for joining and making the thread a success, Monty old bean.

If Spurs and Liverpool have challenged for the title in recent years, then so have over the past decade.

[World's End Stella]

There's no semantics. Peter claims Spurs have challenged the hegemony for the past two years yet also claims we haven't done so for a decade, yet we finished above spurs two years ago!

The stunningly obvious point is that they came close to winning the league, we did not and have not for many years, that's the point.

Good lord.

[Monty92]

You remember how that happened, right?

They lost their last game. So according to you the difference between challenging the hegemony and floundering aimlessly is one end of season game?

[World's End Stella]

You don't know what obsequious means, do you?

Sort of fawning and subservient, a suckup basically.

Is that not right?

[Peter]

There's no semantics. Peter claims Spurs have challenged the hegemony for the past two years yet also claims we haven't done so for a decade, yet we finished above spurs two years ago!

We finished level on points after their title challenge collapsed in the last three games and their results imploded. Our title challenge collapsed in February.

We were challenging precisely nobody that season. Spurs built on it by mounting an effective title challenge the following year while we disappeared down to fifth.

[Peter]

If Spurs and Liverpool have challenged for the title in recent years, then so have over the past decade.

Perhaps in 2007/8. Even that was nowhere near as close as Liverpool's a few years ago.