The absolute worst thing about that ****show

[redgunamo]

But we're only ahead of them because they've been ****......

That's league football, that's how it works!

Nobody gets 114 points.

[Peter]

That's league football, that's how it works!

Nobody gets 114 points.

Or 115 charges.

[redgunamo]

Or 115 charges.

Well quite. Absolutely.

But our Summer Supermarket Sweep might actually have helped their case. At least in the public mind

[Rich]

Total *******s.

Two years ago we switched to a more expansive brand of football. We won a lot more games, scored a lot more goals and finsihed with a lot more points with a smaller squad and the same forwards. The year before that, the same with an even smaller squad and no Havertz.

We didn't win the league in either season but we were a damn sight better than we are now.

The low block excuse is rubbish as well. Every good side faces it and every good side finds a way to tackle it. Bad sides make excuses.

And let us say you are right and we just dont have the forwards. Who answers for that? We spent nearly 180 million on forwards last summer.

Have a look at this. We have to face deeper blocks than anyone in the league. Therefore we require players with outstanding technical qualities in tight areas; which we are not hugely blessed with.

So we have to rely on the current brand of football to score goals.

https://x.com/themagic_tophat/status...231394976?s=12

[Peter]

Have a look at this. We have to face deeper blocks than anyone in the league. Therefore we require players with outstanding technical qualities in tight areas; which we are not hugely blessed with.

So we have to rely on the current brand of football to score goals.

https://x.com/themagic_tophat/status...231394976?s=12

Heavily flawed data, and i will tell you why.

We take so bloody long to move the ball forward that a pub side would have time to get back in position. So of course their average defensive interactions are deeper.

Show the data from the second half of 2023/4, where teams were just as scared but we moved the ball quickly. I promise you it will be a marked difference.

Saka, Odegaard, Trossard, Havertz.... they dont have the technical quality to play in tight spaces? Tell me, who does then?

It's a bull**** excuse to justify our modest returns. Those returns are caused by overly cautious football, not by some tactical conspiracy on the part of the Premier league.

Talk to fans coming out of the ground, they all say the same thing. Negative, playing not to lose, playing with fear, failing to react in games......

[redgunamo]

Heavily flawed data, and i will tell you why.

We take so bloody long to move the ball forward that a pub side would have time to get back in position. So of course their average defensive interactions are deeper.

Show the data from the second half of 2023/4, where teams were just as scared but we moved the ball quickly. I promise you it will be a marked difference.

Saka, Odegaard, Trossard, Havertz.... they dont have the technical quality to play in tight spaces? Tell me, who does then?

It's a bull**** excuse to justify our modest returns. Those returns are caused by overly cautious football, not by some tactical conspiracy on the part of the Premier league.

Talk to fans coming out of the ground, they all say the same thing. Negative, playing not to lose, playing with fear, failing to react in games......

Mostly victorious too though, and largely unbeaten.

You know, the reason Bayern have won so many Bundesliga titles that nobody knows who has won the second most, and Real Madrid have won nearly half of the La Liga titles available since that league was established is precisely because they've been able to gaslight everyone else into trying to play like them but with far worse resources.

Performances, rubbish football, anti-football, set pieces, long balls; we are NOT Real Madrid or Bayern Munich or even Manchester City or Liverpool.

[Peter]

Mostly victorious too though, and largely unbeaten.

You know, the reason Bayern have won so many Bundesliga titles that nobody knows who has won the second most, and Real Madrid have won nearly half of the La Liga titles available since that league was established is precisely because they've been able to gaslight everyone else into trying to play like them but with far worse resources.

Performances, rubbish football, anti-football, set pieces, long balls; we are NOT Real Madrid or Bayern Munich or even Manchester City or Liverpool.

I loved George's sides. But the sides that won titles were not negative. They were strong defensively, but not negative.

I could forgive the dull football if I thought it was our best route to success. It isnt.

[redgunamo]

I loved George's sides. But the sides that won titles were not negative. They were strong defensively, but not negative.

I could forgive the dull football if I thought it was our best route to success. It isnt.

Fine.

When Alan Smith was winning Golden Boots, his competitors were Tony Cottee,
John Aldridge, Gary Lineker, Dean Saunders, and Ian Wright at Crystal Palace. Not exactly Europe's goalscoring elite.

Different times, different times.

[Peter]

Fine.

When Alan Smith was winning Golden Boots, his competitors were Tony Cottee,
John Aldridge, Gary Lineker, Dean Saunders, and Ian Wright at Crystal Palace. Not exactly Europe's goalscoring elite.

Different times, different times.

To me that was Europe's goalscoring elite....

[redgunamo]

To me that was Europe's goalscoring elite....

Yes, me too. But foreigners have ruined the game for everyone.

You can see for yourself though, that what George had was basically Mikel's team but with a Haaland upfront.

We're not all that far away