As soon as I looked at that i saw a huge gap

[Peter]

Vik was mostly anonymous. But both sides stopped their opponents getting beyond the back 4. He was no worse than Salah or Etitike.

That game would have been perfect for Kai. He could drop deep and try to play in a winger or MnM coming in late.

Or Eze in the no.10 role instead of MnM, with Vik dragging the defenders out of shape.

Anything but Nwaneri....... you see? Even we are starting to forget he exists.

We took one throw level with their box and spent 30 seconds slowly working it back to Raya before knocking it out to concede a throw.....

We are never going to beat these sides to a title until we start believing we are capable of beating these sides. And every other side.

[PSRB]

Anything but Nwaneri....... you see? Even we are starting to forget he exists.

We took one throw level with their box and spent 30 seconds slowly working it back to Raya before knocking it out to concede a throw.....

We are never going to beat these sides to a title until we start believing we are capable of beating these sides. And every other side.

Unfair, that's our 1st defeat to a "Big 6" in 23. Granted 2 of those big 6 finished 15th & 17th last season.

[Peter]

Unfair, that's our 1st defeat to a "Big 6" in 23. Granted 2 of those big 6 finished 15th & 17th last season.

It is a manipulated stat. When did we last win at Anfield? Or City? We've lost 3 of our last 4 visits to Newcastle, failing to score in all three. When did we last win at Chelsea?

We keep saying we are better than these sides but we we never go away and beat them. We barely even try. We come away from these games saying a draw is not a bad result when, in a lot of cases, it actually kind of is.

We need to raise our expectations as well as our game. Otherwise we will be sitting here in 3 years' time patting ourselves on the back for another 0-0 draw away to a top six side with 5 of our best players injured......

[PSRB]

It is a manipulated stat. When did we last win at Anfield? Or City? We've lost 3 of our last 4 visits to Newcastle, failing to score in all three. When did we last win at Chelsea?

We keep saying we are better than these sides but we we never go away and beat them. We barely even try. We come away from these games saying a draw is not a bad result when, in a lot of cases, it actually kind of is.

We need to raise our expectations as well as our game. Otherwise we will be sitting here in 3 years' time patting ourselves on the back for another 0-0 draw away to a top six side with 5 of our best players injured......

A point away against your main rivals is a "good" point. Dropping points to Villa, Bournemouth, Fulham, etc is what is costing us titles not the results against our rivals.

Chelsea - we beat them in 2021, 22 & 23 away.

[Peter]

A point away against your main rivals is a "good" point. Dropping points to Villa, Bournemouth, Fulham, etc is what is costing us titles not the results against our rivals.

Chelsea - we beat them in 2021, 22 & 23 away.

Statistically, you are wrong Having fewer points than our rivals is what is costing us titles. None of us can isolate which points cost us. They all did.

We have drawn away to Chelsea in the last two seasons, neither of which were good performances or good results. Last time we won there was November 22.

If you want to win the league, you have to look to win every game. Title winners might consider a draw a 'good point' maybe once or twice a season. And even then it will be games where they have had to weather something.

Liverpool were there to be beaten yesterday and after having the odd poke at them in the first half we gave up in the second and settled for a draw.

How many times last season did we see us do the same with a 1-0 lead against an assortment of **** teams that title challengers should be dominating and wiping the floor with.

So, last two seasons- Liverpool, City, Newcastle, Chelsea. Not one away win from any of those 8 games. And you can now add a 9th game to that.

I'm not saying we should win all of these games. I am saying that the way we approach them means we are more or less incapable of winning any of them. Which means we have absolutely no room to slip up against anyone else....... I'm not big on 'statement wins' but at some stage we have to go to one of these games and play like we mean it. Outplay them, beat them, and come home.

When we look capable of doing that, we'll start to look like title winners. As long as we keep pushing out the negative crap we served up in the second half yesterday we will never win anything.

[redgunamo]

Managing the game has to mean controlling it, not destroying it.

And if you control games, you can score goals.

Liverpool's back four had a much harder game against Bournemouth. We hardly laid a glove on them save for a few Madueke runs

I'm the other way; if you can score goals, you control games. One, two or three-nil up and you are deemed to be in control of the game, regardless of any other factors. Or to put it another way, try controlling a match from 3-0 down

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I'm the other way; if you can score goals, you control games. One, two or three-nil up and you are deemed to be in control of the game, regardless of any other factors. Or to put it another way, try controlling a match from 3-0 down

4-0 down against Reading and won 7-5. Feo was great that game if I recall.

[Peter]

4-0 down against Reading and won 7-5. Feo was great that game if I recall.

I'm not sure 'control' was a key feature of that game for either side

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I'm not sure 'control' was a key feature of that game for either side

You may have a point. Though Chamak's lob for the 7th was well controlled.