I didn’t mean to have a go at Arteta last night.

[Peter]

Well, we're are just two points off the top of the most difficult league in Europe, Peter. So we aren't *that* bad.

If the point that Charles is making is that football is all a bit samey, then I agree with him. Everyone seems to play the same system, endless pressing, flood midfield, get the ball back as quickly as possible when you lose it, push forward again.

Teams used to be about players only, so every team was different. Now it's just who does the same thing the best.

If that's his point, I agree with him.

We are 5 points off the top of the league and I didn't say we were bad. I said we hadn't mastered the balance of controlling games without becoming unbelievably ****ing dull.

I don't think all teams play the same way although I do agree that teams are more about teams than individuals these days. I quite like that.

[WES]

We are 5 points off the top of the league and I didn't say we were bad. I said we hadn't mastered the balance of controlling games without becoming unbelievably ****ing dull.

I don't think all teams play the same way although I do agree that teams are more about teams than individuals these days. I quite like that.

2 points if we win the game in hand, stop being silly.

And 'We end up as toothless, static drones, knocking balls across our lines for 90 minutes until someone falls over and we concede a goal' sounds pretty bad to me, Peter

[Peter]

2 points if we win the game in hand, stop being silly.

And 'We end up as toothless, static drones, knocking balls across our lines for 90 minutes until someone falls over and we concede a goal' sounds pretty bad to me, Peter

Simple arithmetic doesn't do 'ifs' Wes

I wasn't being entirely serious with that description and I think you know that.....

[Sir C]

Well, we're are just two points off the top of the most difficult league in Europe, Peter. So we aren't *that* bad.

If the point that Charles is making is that football is all a bit samey, then I agree with him. Everyone seems to play the same system, endless pressing, flood midfield, get the ball back as quickly as possible when you lose it, push forward again.

Teams used to be about players only, so every team was different. Now it's just who does the same thing the best.

If that's his point, I agree with him.

That’s my point

[Peter]

That’s my point

My dad used to watch Wenger's sides and sit there muttering about George Eastham.

I guess it happens to us all

Well, not me. Not with football anyway.

[Sir C]

My dad used to watch Wenger's sides and sit there muttering about George Eastham.

I guess it happens to us all

Well, not me. Not with football anyway.

Now I come to think of it, cars are no good any more, the weather’s ****, movies are all rubbish these days… and don’t get me started on music. The last album worth buying was The Rising ffs.

[Sir C]

To be fair, the majority of the time we play some lovely football. WE just haven't mastered the art of balancing this in a more cautious and structured way. We end up as toothless, static drones, knocking balls across our lines for 90 minutes until someone falls over and we concede a goal.

So sorry to hear about the missus. Best wishes

Thank you Peter.

[redgunamo]

The sad fact is that tactics have become so intricate, so convoluted and so overwhelming, they’ve sucked all the joy out of the game. Honestly, I find it tedious these days.

Double pivot. Inverted full backs. Gegenpressing. **** it all out the window and get back to, you know… playing football as God intended. 442 or 433, pass and move, pace and power.

Old Arsene was saying the same thing last night, when questioned (on the telly, I mean, of course. I didn't buttonhole him in the pub). He couldn't quite bring himself to admit it though, further than suggesting that now the physical, technical and tactical sides of the game have developed so much, it was now time for the artistic, creative, exciting particulars to catch up. And match up.