There is a current theme across football of stopping the opposition playing football and maintaining possession and being tight at the back - it's like Catenaccio never went away.
These things come and go like fashion though. Not too long ago, the complaint was that nobody knew, or even cared about how to defend anymore.
"Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.
"But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."