Powerful, powerful player - surprising he played full-back given how much smaller the players were back then. He could have played in the pack.
There was a documentary on the 74 Lions tour of SA some time ago and he stood out as the most intimidating of the Lions either when playing rugby or when hitting someone.
"Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.
"But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."