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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    Crime went down in NYC in the 90s because of Roe v Wade, GG? Now that is a seriously bizarre conclusion.

    Crime went down because a booming economy meant the city had money and Rudy flooded the streets with cops.

    You’ll be telling us Ramsey was a steal at 400k a week next

    New economic research resurfaces debate about the link between legalized abortion and crime reduction

    May 24, 2019

    Crime rates in the U.S. have fallen by about half since the early 1990s. A new working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research finds that legalized abortion following the Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 accounts for 45% of the decline in crime rates over the past three decades.

    The paper’s authors, Stanford University economist John Donohue and University of Chicago economist Steve Levitt, take new data and run nearly the same model they used in their influential — and controversial — 2001 analysis published in the Quarterly Journal of Economics, where they first suggested an association between abortion and crime.

    In the 2001 paper, they found that legalized abortion appeared to account for up to half of the drop in rates of violent crime and property crime to that point. They also predicted crime would fall an additional 20% over the next two decades. Levitt featured the research in the 2005 bestseller Freakonomics. The new paper also looks at violent crime and property crime.....

    https://journalistsresource.org/stud...onohue-levitt/

    Accepted academic consensus now, I'm afraid. Has been accepted since their first paper in 2001 and this latest research on the post-2001 period backs it up.

    If you hadn't spent a decade sticking pins into your Rambo voodoo doll, you might have had some more time for a little light research.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult View Post
    New economic research resurfaces debate about the link between legalized abortion and crime reduction

    May 24, 2019

    Crime rates in the U.S. have fallen by about half since the early 1990s. A new working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research finds that legalized abortion following the Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 accounts for 45% of the decline in crime rates over the past three decades.

    The paper’s authors, Stanford University economist John Donohue and University of Chicago economist Steve Levitt, take new data and run nearly the same model they used in their influential — and controversial — 2001 analysis published in the Quarterly Journal of Economics, where they first suggested an association between abortion and crime.

    In the 2001 paper, they found that legalized abortion appeared to account for up to half of the drop in rates of violent crime and property crime to that point. They also predicted crime would fall an additional 20% over the next two decades. Levitt featured the research in the 2005 bestseller Freakonomics. The new paper also looks at violent crime and property crime.....

    https://journalistsresource.org/stud...onohue-levitt/

    Accepted academic consensus now, I'm afraid. Has been accepted since their first paper in 2001 and this latest research on the post-2001 period backs it up.

    If you hadn't spent a decade sticking pins into your Rambo voodoo doll, you might have had some more time for a little light research.
    It may be accepted by some, GG, but it is hardly a consensus.

    So error number one is that you said crime in NYC. Roe v Wade established a constitutional right to an abortion but that had no impact in NYC because NY state already had the most liberal abortion laws in America before Roe v Wade. And after Roe v Wade, NYC had the worst crime rates in its history for the remainder of the 70s and the 80s, it wasn’t until the economic boom of the late 80s that the city’s finances turned around, and it wasn’t until Rudy spent the money and established zero tolerance that crime really came down.

    I worked in NYC in the 90s and lived there for 3 1/2 years in the early 00s, GG. It was incredibly safe simply because Manhattan was flooded with cops. You couldn’t walk a block in any direction without seeing one.

    An increase in abortion rates, if that actually happened in NY, had a trivial impact compared to the investment in NYPD.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    It may be accepted by some, GG, but it is hardly a consensus.

    So error number one is that you said crime in NYC. Roe v Wade established a constitutional right to an abortion but that had no impact in NYC because NY state already had the most liberal abortion laws in America before Roe v Wade. And after Roe v Wade, NYC had the worst crime rates in its history for the remainder of the 70s and the 80s, it wasn’t until the economic boom of the late 80s that the city’s finances turned around, and it wasn’t until Rudy spent the money and established zero tolerance that crime really came down.

    I worked in NYC in the 90s and lived there for 3 1/2 years in the early 00s, GG. It was incredibly safe simply because Manhattan was flooded with cops. You couldn’t walk a block in any direction without seeing one.

    An increase in abortion rates, if that actually happened in NY, had a trivial impact compared to the investment in NYPD.
    RvW was '73. So would have no impact until the late '80s at the earliest.

    But oh look, as soon as there aren't any unwanted 17+ year olds walking around mugging people come 1990, you have an economic boom. Strange, dat. I wonder what could possibly be the connection? :rubschin:

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    It may be accepted by some, GG, but it is hardly a consensus.

    So error number one is that you said crime in NYC. Roe v Wade established a constitutional right to an abortion but that had no impact in NYC because NY state already had the most liberal abortion laws in America before Roe v Wade. And after Roe v Wade, NYC had the worst crime rates in its history for the remainder of the 70s and the 80s, it wasn’t until the economic boom of the late 80s that the city’s finances turned around, and it wasn’t until Rudy spent the money and established zero tolerance that crime really came down.

    I worked in NYC in the 90s and lived there for 3 1/2 years in the early 00s, GG. It was incredibly safe simply because Manhattan was flooded with cops. You couldn’t walk a block in any direction without seeing one.

    An increase in abortion rates, if that actually happened in NY, had a trivial impact compared to the investment in NYPD.
    Stop muddying the water with facts ffs

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult View Post
    New economic research resurfaces debate about the link between legalized abortion and crime reduction

    May 24, 2019

    Crime rates in the U.S. have fallen by about half since the early 1990s. A new working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research finds that legalized abortion following the Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 accounts for 45% of the decline in crime rates over the past three decades.

    The paper’s authors, Stanford University economist John Donohue and University of Chicago economist Steve Levitt, take new data and run nearly the same model they used in their influential — and controversial — 2001 analysis published in the Quarterly Journal of Economics, where they first suggested an association between abortion and crime.

    In the 2001 paper, they found that legalized abortion appeared to account for up to half of the drop in rates of violent crime and property crime to that point. They also predicted crime would fall an additional 20% over the next two decades. Levitt featured the research in the 2005 bestseller Freakonomics. The new paper also looks at violent crime and property crime.....

    https://journalistsresource.org/stud...onohue-levitt/

    Accepted academic consensus now, I'm afraid. Has been accepted since their first paper in 2001 and this latest research on the post-2001 period backs it up.

    If you hadn't spent a decade sticking pins into your Rambo voodoo doll, you might have had some more time for a little light research.
    It's not a great argument for a civilised society where you have to commit mass murder on a certain race to bring the crime stats down.

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