I assume Mustafi got an assist last night

[Pat Vegas]

For the martinelli goal?

[Luis Anaconda]

For the martinelli goal?

Definitely - and for the red card. Was it just me or should Leno have wiped Abraham out. Red card and a free better than red card and penalty

[PSRB]

Definitely - and for the red card. Was it just me or should Leno have wiped Abraham out. Red card and a free better than red card and penalty

Thought Luiz was daft, had got back and Abrahams was going to struggle to get a meaningful shot away.

[IUFG]

Definitely - and for the red card. Was it just me or should Leno have wiped Abraham out. Red card and a free better than red card and penalty

Never get sent off within the first 70 mins. That's what one of my old managers used to us.

Everything was (un)fair game after that, I assumed.

[barrybueno]

Never get sent off within the first 70 mins. That's what one of my old managers used to us.

Everything was (un)fair game after that, I assumed.

Wise words from the manager (although pretty obvious you'd hope) However Shítshow is one rash thick muthafúcka to do that halfway through the first half.

[Pat Vegas]

Definitely - and for the red card. Was it just me or should Leno have wiped Abraham out. Red card and a free better than red card and penalty

I was thinking let him take a shot he might have missed.

Though in a weird way if they had scored and 11v11 perhaps we would have lost. 10 men made us play defensively

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Definitely - and for the red card. Was it just me or should Leno have wiped Abraham out. Red card and a free better than red card and penalty

Apparently (and I'm asking you as you know these things and I don't) if Luiz had actually tried to win the ball, even if it's 99% certain he can't and will commit a foul, then as it's a penalty, it's not a red card. {They didn't say but I'd guess a yellow.}

It's only if you do a deliberate foul. Like Luiz pushing him over.

So if he'd just slid down on the goal side and the Chav had tripped over his leg, it would have been a genuine tackle attempt and no red.

Also, Mustafi was getting back. Almost certain goal, I admit, but the same as a penalty.

In short, all 3 of them fücked up to varying degrees.

+VEs were Martinelli and Hector being back. If Hector can teach Pépé how to play with him, we'll have a real threat down that side. Also Saka and Martinelli look like they'll learn to link up. {Hector was a winger in his yoof, too.)

So if they can learn how to then play triangles with Ozil, he can overload one of the sides like Cashley, Bobby and Titi.

If only we had Santi (or TR7) in the Xhaka role. A pwoppa box-to-box MF who doesn't just stand by and watch opponents run past him, wgo can also shield the defence, but has the skill to play Wengaball with Ozil.

[Luis Anaconda]

Apparently (and I'm asking you as you know these things and I don't) if Luiz had actually tried to win the ball, even if it's 99% certain he can't and will commit a foul, then as it's a penalty, it's not a red card. {They didn't say but I'd guess a yellow.}

It's only if you do a deliberate foul. Like Luiz pushing him over.

So if he'd just slid down on the goal side and the Chav had tripped over his leg, it would have been a genuine tackle attempt and no red.

Also, Mustafi was getting back. Almost certain goal, I admit, but the same as a penalty.

In short, all 3 of them fücked up to varying degrees.

+VEs were Martinelli and Hector being back. If Hector can teach Pépé how to play with him, we'll have a real threat down that side. Also Saka and Martinelli look like they'll learn to link up. {Hector was a winger in his yoof, too.)

So if they can learn how to then play triangles with Ozil, he can overload one of the sides like Cashley, Bobby and Titi.

If only we had Santi (or TR7) in the Xhaka role. A pwoppa box-to-box MF who doesn't just stand by and watch opponents run past him, wgo can also shield the defence, but has the skill to play Wengaball with Ozil.

Should only have been a yellow if he tries to win the ball yes. Though I suspect with the goalkeeper out of the equation ref may still have shown red

[Rich]

Definitely - and for the red card. Was it just me or should Leno have wiped Abraham out. Red card and a free better than red card and penalty

I thought the rules were changed a few years ago to prevent the 'double whammy' of conceding a penalty and having a man sent off for one foul.

[Pokster]

I thought the rules were changed a few years ago to prevent the 'double whammy' of conceding a penalty and having a man sent off for one foul.

well if you read the comments above it explains it all, if it is a deliberate fould to stop a goal scoring opp' then it is still a red card, if it is an attempt to play the ball then it isn't