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Thread: So it looks as though we're going to have an election.

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    So it looks as though we're going to have an election.

    Meanwhile, Labour - who have been screaming for an election now for 12 months and will currently complain to anyone who'll listen about our 'unelected' PM - are suddenly talking about not voting for an election because they're pretty sure Boris will walk it.
    This could be possibly Labour's most incoherent position yet, surpassing even their stunning 'we will negotiate a new Brexit deal and then campaign against it' shítshow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Meanwhile, Labour - who have been screaming for an election now for 12 months and will currently complain to anyone who'll listen about our 'unelected' PM - are suddenly talking about not voting for an election because they're pretty sure Boris will walk it.
    This could be possibly Labour's most incoherent position yet, surpassing even their stunning 'we will negotiate a new Brexit deal and then campaign against it' shítshow.
    Labour wanted an election under their terms, if BJ trys to call an election because it is what he wants then Labour are in a very difficult position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokster View Post
    Labour wanted an election under their terms, if BJ trys to call an election because it is what he wants then Labour are in a very difficult position.
    Correct. They wanted a GE when May (who was electoral poison) was in charge - or after No Deal to exploit any difficulties that arose. They're terrified of one now against Boris (whose personal popularity ratings are surging).

    Problem is, no Leader of the Opposition can reject the chance of an election and hope to retain any credibility - let alone be able to get away with wibbling a load of old balls about 'coups' and 'An unelected Prime Minister' (don't get me started on that, btw).

    Mind you, it's questionable how much credibility Corbyn still has to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Correct. They wanted a GE when May (who was electoral poison) was in charge - or after No Deal to exploit any difficulties that arose. They're terrified of one now against Boris (whose personal popularity ratings are surging).

    Problem is, no Leader of the Opposition can reject the chance of an election and hope to retain any credibility - let alone be able to get away with wibbling a load of old balls about 'coups' and 'An unelected Prime Minister' (don't get me started on that, btw).

    Mind you, it's questionable how much credibility Corbyn still has to lose.
    Not often I agree with Tony B, Labour shoudl avoid an election as a Brexit election, they should be pushing for a second Ref if that is what they actually think......New leader syndrome is likely to see a Tory bounce and the real winners would be the Lib Dems and the Tory party.....Labour likely to be squeezed as nobody knows what they actually stand for (Tory party are split but the power is now with leave)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokster View Post
    Not often I agree with Tony B, Labour shoudl avoid an election as a Brexit election, they should be pushing for a second Ref if that is what they actually think......New leader syndrome is likely to see a Tory bounce and the real winners would be the Lib Dems and the Tory party.....Labour likely to be squeezed as nobody knows what they actually stand for (Tory party are split but the power is now with leave)
    Consider how it would look, though. Not brave enough to force a Vote of No Confidence or agree to an election - essentially keeping a Tory Government in place by refusing to go to the polls. Not sure how you come back from that. Basically, if the Government throws down the gauntlet, the Opposition pretty much has to accept the challenge or become a laughing stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Consider how it would look, though. Not brave enough to force a Vote of No Confidence or agree to an election - essentially keeping a Tory Government in place by refusing to go to the polls. Not sure how you come back from that. Basically, if the Government throws down the gauntlet, the Opposition pretty much has to accept the challenge or become a laughing stock.
    are they not already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSRB View Post
    are they not already?
    Sure, but their support is brainwashed into the belief that Magic Grandpa will storm to victory as soon as the people get a chance to vote for him. His whole schtick is predicated on this idea, in fact. Take away that key plank of magical thinking by showing you're scared to face the tories in an election and the whole thing might come crashing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Sure, but their support is brainwashed into the belief that Magic Grandpa will storm to victory as soon as the people get a chance to vote for him. His whole schtick is predicated on this idea, in fact. Take away that key plank of magical thinking by showing you're scared to face the tories in an election and the whole thing might come crashing down.
    Be interesting to see what Labour does if they get whitewashed in the GE. The membership rule changes allowed the unions to take control of the party hence thieving blockheads like Ian Lavery and communists like McDonnell in their positions.

    But even if they get hammered, the unions will still be in control. Not sure they would allow a return to *New Labour* but even they might realise how fruitless it is to persist with the red flag brigade. Maybe. A more palatable version of Corbyn, if such a thing exists?

    Let's hope we find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    Be interesting to see what Labour does if they get whitewashed in the GE. The membership rule changes allowed the unions to take control of the party hence thieving blockheads like Ian Lavery and communists like McDonnell in their positions.

    But even if they get hammered, the unions will still be in control. Not sure they would allow a return to *New Labour* but even they might realise how fruitless it is to persist with the red flag brigade. Maybe. A more palatable version of Corbyn, if such a thing exists?

    Let's hope we find out.
    If the defeat is bad enough (esp if Brexit Party hit the northern heartlands hard), it could reduce Labour to a relative rump and get rid of a lot of moderate MPs, which, while it would make the party more politically coherent, would also make it smaller and with less broad appeal. It could thus carry on being mentally leftist while the LibDems or a new party hoovered up the moderate supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    Be interesting to see what Labour does if they get whitewashed in the GE. The membership rule changes allowed the unions to take control of the party hence thieving blockheads like Ian Lavery and communists like McDonnell in their positions.

    But even if they get hammered, the unions will still be in control. Not sure they would allow a return to *New Labour* but even they might realise how fruitless it is to persist with the red flag brigade. Maybe. A more palatable version of Corbyn, if such a thing exists?

    Let's hope we find out.
    LOL! Corbyn's just said he'll back an early general election "in any circumstances".

    Imagine Tony Blair thinking that him saying something might persuade Corbyn to go along with him!

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