anyone see the last whites of the east end last night..

[7sisters]

Whatever your political views on immigration, it really was quite sad scenes.
Families with five generations becoming alienated and isolated in areas they've grown up in.
Surely the point of a mixed society is to achieve better managed integration as opposed to flooding an area beyond recognition over a twenty year period.

[Sir C]

Whatever your political views on immigration, it really was quite sad scenes.
Families with five generations becoming alienated and isolated in areas they've grown up in.
Surely the point of a mixed society is to achieve better managed integration as opposed to flooding an area beyond recognition over a twenty year period.

I thought the Labour government had a policy of discouraging integration in favour of multiculturalism?

Basically, creating ghettoes of immigrants and then pandering to them buys you a bloc vote.

[Ash]

Whatever your political views on immigration, it really was quite sad scenes.
Families with five generations becoming alienated and isolated in areas they've grown up in.
Surely the point of a mixed society is to achieve better managed integration as opposed to flooding an area beyond recognition over a twenty year period.

Will check that out, 7evens, thanks.

[7sisters]

Will check that out, 7evens, thanks.

Caused a bit of a twitter storm today apparently. Beeb being branded as investing tax payers money in racist programming.
Most of the papers carry some type of comment..

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3256261.html

[The Jorge]

Whatever your political views on immigration, it really was quite sad scenes.
Families with five generations becoming alienated and isolated in areas they've grown up in.
Surely the point of a mixed society is to achieve better managed integration as opposed to flooding an area beyond recognition over a twenty year period.

I'm not entirely sure it's done by design, these things happen organically. Of course, the east end has always done a fairly good job of assimilating immigrants and then having them bugger off elsewhere within a generation or two.

I cant imagine the systematic purging of local authority housing, gentrification and the willing over/hyperinflation of the london housing market has positive effects on any of these things either.

And this is speaking as someone who could say they've been gentrified out of my natural born area too.

[redgunamo]

I'm not entirely sure it's done by design, these things happen organically. Of course, the east end has always done a fairly good job of assimilating immigrants and then having them bugger off elsewhere within a generation or two.

I cant imagine the systematic purging of local authority housing, gentrification and the willing over/hyperinflation of the london housing market has positive effects on any of these things either.

And this is speaking as someone who could say they've been gentrified out of my natural born area too.

You said you left because it was a ****hole, I thought?

[The Jorge]

You said you left because it was a ****hole, I thought?

It was a bit more nuanced than that but ultimately, if I wanted to live anywhere near the area I grew up, I was paying around a grand a month for a decent flat. And that was for a one bedroom flat on the **** side of Finsbury Park.

[redgunamo]

It was a bit more nuanced than that but ultimately, if I wanted to live anywhere near the area I grew up, I was paying around a grand a month for a decent flat. And that was for a one bedroom flat on the **** side of Finsbury Park.

Right. The bit of it you could afford was ****. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. My uncle tells of how European travellers view Africans the same way; "Oh, you shouldn't stop them living in mud huts and sleeping on the floor, they do that because they *like* it!"

[Ash]

I'm not entirely sure it's done by design, these things happen organically. Of course, the east end has always done a fairly good job of assimilating immigrants and then having them bugger off elsewhere within a generation or two.

Possibly a generation or four, as per my east end immigrant ancestory. German arrival circa 1830, gradually drifting east through Whitechapel, Beffn'll Green, Limehouse, West Ham, Silvertown then hopped over the river to Woolwich before dad was born in '39.

As for integration - he married a girl from Aldgate and tuned pianos but his descendants were in coopering, possibly linked to the germanoid sugar industry in the east end, and they married non-teutons.

Jews of East End? Probably in and out within 60-70 years?

It was between a hundred and two hundred years for the Hugenots of Soho to be fully integrated, according to the book I just read. And in those days there were no political forces encouraging people not to integrate, despite prejudice being far stronger in the past than today.

[The Jorge]

Possibly a generation or four, as per my east end immigrant ancestory. German arrival circa 1830, gradually drifting east through Whitechapel, Beffn'll Green, Limehouse, West Ham, Silvertown then hopped over the river to Woolwich before dad was born in '39.

As for integration - he married a girl from Aldgate and tuned pianos but his descendants were in coopering, possibly linked to the germanoid sugar industry in the east end, and they married non-teutons.

Jews of East End? Probably in and out within 60-70 years?

It was between a hundred and two hundred years for the Hugenots of Soho to be fully integrated, according to the book I just read. And in those days there were no political forces encouraging people not to integrate, despite prejudice being far stronger in the past than today.

Exactly, the pace of stuff moves faster now any way. Information, capital, people themselves. We're all more mobile, but then again we have to be.