He needs to win the PL now...or he must be gone.
Piss poor game management.
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He needs to win the PL now...or he must be gone.
Piss poor game management.
**** the title. He needs to stop playing this atrocious football.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
I'm at the stage where I actually dread watching away games. If he cant see the problem then he should go.
Title race is done.
No, don?t agree, I. He?s done an amazing job to recover from the situation we were in post Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
If he wins any trophy this year and we finish 2nd he stays. But he has to learn, and to change.
In which case he's gone. We have been exposed and no-one fears us. Just let Arsenal have the ball. Wait for them to fanny ball it back to you. When it gets to injury time, get the ball into their box. They get so nervous there's a good chance of it ending up in the net.
He isnt going to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Tonight was the epitome of his cautious management style. And to what cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Too often. Too poor. Too dreary.
We'll be accused of bottling it. And we will have.
The players visibly didn't want the ball tonight.
These are the same performances we've produced for two years. Only now, with some pressure, we are making mistakes and gifting the goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
But the fundamental refusal to play the game once we are in front is the problem. You can't win the league playing with fear week in, week out.
Arteta cant take us any further than second unless he is willing to accept this. And is able to change it. I honestly dont think he is.
He's moved us on from Wenger and Emery, granted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
But he appears to have taken us as far as he can. We need to go gung-ho. What have we got to lose?
But he won't, of course.
Game management mode is the default and it's ****. We've seen this coming for ages.
A fragile mentality is clear. And maybe tonight it shattered.
The fragility is part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
Everything about our approach to the game screams of fear and a lack of trust. Arteta wants to be able to control and rehearse every action, remove every risk.
He is telling his players that he doesn't trust them. Hardly a surprise that they dont trust themselves.
Unless he fundamentally changes the way we approach games, we are going to keep going backwards.
We were a better side two years, and three years ago. Never mind the lack of trophies. The performances, rhe football and the results are getting worse.
And we keep giving him more players. And we just get more negative.
If ever there was a need to bring Patrick Lencioni in as a coach...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I cant watch this football anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
It is insufferable
It is really poor. That Wolves team should have been put to the sword in the first half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
We didn't do it against a **** Wigan team.
It's a mentality. Look at City putting 10 past whoever it was. We don't have that in our locker. Or our manager doesn't demand it.
And I'm sorry, but despite the goal, playing Saka through the middle is ****ing nonsense. What the hell is he thinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
If you cant trust Eze against Wolves, why is he at the club?
Madueke useless again. And poor old Gyokeres just left running around chasing absolutely nothing. He must get so frustrated.....
The Saka at 10 is *******s. He's great at isolating defenders. In the 10, you get defenders all around you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
We joke we'll coach the creativity out of Eze and Odegaard, but its the reality.
Madueke. He's a chaos Sanogo style substitute at best.
Gyokeres. A failed experiment. He'll probably score 2 in 3 at his next club...
Arteta was under pressure to deliver this season, and it isnt happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
We'll see what happens but if we end up with nothing this season then I dont know what we do in the summer. I dont know what the plan is.
Because this cant go on.
Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
The obvious question is who replaces him?
The Tuesday Club response....David Moyes.
But there has to be someone who isn't scared. Arteta is a rabbit in the headlights.
The stronger the squad, the more negative he gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
I dont know what to suggest. He didn't use to be like this.
If he?s lucky he will win the league cup most.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
We have to smash spurs this weekend but we know this isn?t going to happen. We will get beat
Second every season is hardly a sacking offence. Unless we've all completely misunderstood what we're up against :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
More money means more jeopardy. Finishing sixth would be a disaster, albeit a "refreshing" change :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
With respect, this season we have been up against **** all. City have been ****!Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Our only obstacle has been ourselves. And some of us have been pointing this out since Old Trafford, with irritating regularity....
Time for some perspective, Peter. It was an awful performance but the idea that the team that is top of the table by 2 points (at least) and who won all 8 CL games including comprehensive defeats of Munich, Atl Madrid and Inter Milan, is that bad of a team is really a bit silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
We should be better, and I don't think we'll win the league, but we're only as bad as you say if you ignore all the games in which we've been very good.
Deep breaths, and alcohol, this is what we need.
I'm not saying we are a terrible team. But our tactics and performances away from home are staggeringly poor and a mile below what we are capable of. And it has cost us a title we should have won comfortably.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
We could still have a good run in the champions league. The format will suit us as we will have the chance to win ties at home second leg. Which means we can be ruthlessly negative away from home.
But the title is done. Best chance in a generation is disappearing before our eyes because we are too negative, too scared to actually play. And our coach has got his entire approach horribly wrong.
Its ****ing infuriating :-(
Wolves was disappointing. Previous away game was Brentford who are both good and in form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Prior two away games we beat Leeds 4-0 and Inter Milan 3-1.
Perspective.
Be fair, Wes. My perspective hasn't changed since the first day of the season, where we limped to a fortunate win at Old Trafford against a terrible United side, with a pitiful performance and a scrambled goal from a corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Or the following game where we surrendered to a piss poor Liverpool side at Anfield in the second half.
Or a few games later where we scrambled over the line at Fulham.
Put it this way- Leeds and Burnley are the only away games we have won by more than one goal. Every other game has gone to the 95th minute with the result up in the air.
Late goals have cost us points at Liverpool, at Sunderland, at Villa, at Brentford. And now at Wolves. 8 points dropped to late goals away from home.
It is inevitable that this will happen if you keep relying on such fine margins. I've said it all season, and I'm not the only one saying it.
And i am afraid that too many people have spent the season making too many excuses for this approach. They're a good side, the weather is bad, he's injured etc etc.
If we hadn't gifted them the equaliser last night, people would be happy today. They'd be saying we did enough, got the job done etc etc
The truth is that the approach to these games is wrong. It is abysmal to watch. We are capable of so much more.
If I thought we were **** I would be fine with it. We're not. We're just ****ing negative. Scared.
We have also conceded to a lot of "Worldies", my issue is that we have the players to play a far more attractive game. Seem more concerned with not losing rather than winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Exactly this.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
And even where you do have to 'manage' games out, good sides do that with the ball. They move and circulate possession, control the ball and the tempo.
We retreat and sit in position, getting deeper and allowing balls into the box. And shots.
So even where game management is needed, I hate the way we do it. Arteta doesn't trust them to be able to move and keep the ball. He'd rather they go static and stay in position.
We're doing the wrong thing and we're doing it the wrong way. This is how ordinary sides play.
Basically you're saying that we've under-achieved all season, and this is particularly gauling because the rest of the league has as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
And yes, you've done so consistently :-)
And you're right, and you make fair points. But under-achieving and being terrible/sh&t/whatever are very different things. And it should be pointed out more often, how many times we've shown how good we can be. Although this just increases the frustration, I guess
But when people start talking of Arteta being sacked and selling players etc etc they are losing perspective. We're top of the league and in a cup final and were top of the CL league.
I have confidence in Arteta that you don't. Only time will tell, of course
I had confidence in Arteta. I still believe he is an excellent coach. But he HAS to be able to see this problem and he has to change how we play.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
I really thought that the signings in the summer would.make us more adventurous. Give us more options and enable us to rotate and really attack games. That is why those first two away games annoyed me so much. It was obvious immediately that we were going to continue down this path.
So I've never really believed that we will win the league this season. I flirted with it when City looked like collapsing, but of course we stumbled when we had a chance to pull away and now we've done it again.
If we were even trying to play the way we did post Dubai then I thino we would be 10 points clear now. We'll never know.
But, as I said, the title race might be over but there are three other competitions we can have a go in. Season isnt over.
We can discuss the future in the summer. Not now.
It?s probably a combination of factors. Lots of injuries across the squad, resulting in long term injuries and loss of form from key players. Too many games, it?s been two a week for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Arteta?s rigid mindset. He?s still reliant on favourites rather than developing the rest of the squad. Timber?s playing far too often where White could be used, likewise Norgaard for Zubi.
We?re 70% through the season and we still don?t know if Gyok, Eze & Madueke represented value, or if Arteta has fallen short in getting a tune out of them.
Lastly, the ever reliable Trossard, Saka & Odins form has fallen off a cliff.
You can?t rule out the impact of any new manager with a fresh approach and the way they can revitalise any squad but you do need to endure it?s the right appointment.
It may be that Arteta?s currency among the squad is falling. He?s in his 6th season so it wouldn?t come as a huge shock if the club decided to call time, following another fallow year.
Either way, this is not the form of champions and something has clearly gone very wrong.
4 draws, 1 loss & 2 wins from last 7 games. What abysmal form is that???
The Forest and Wolves result are just ridiculous for a team with eyes on the titleQuote:
Originally Posted by John Bunnell