Ridiculous. We've completely bottled it.
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Ridiculous. We've completely bottled it.
WTF was Zubi thinking there ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
It was the whole side. We gifted Fernandes two chances before that. We just stopped playing completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Unbelievable.
Perhaps but that pass was farking stupidity beyond belief. Oh I know, I?ll ping it back into an area where two black shirts are bearing down on my keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Farkin moron.
He just mi**** it. The standing there like statues before it happened is the real problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Moments before Saliba completely switched off and left Fernandes through on goal. Mbuemo moments before that.
We were in complete control of the game. We scored, and totally fell to pieces.
If we are bottling it with 16 games to go then what on earth is going to happen when we get to the run in?
There are those of us who have pointed out that for a wonderful player, Zubi makes way too many basic errorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Not the first time he has cost us this season
Not that that excuses the overall performance of course
Taking him off and forcing Rice to play deeper was a real dog**** decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Maybe. But if I was Arteta I?d have been absolutely fuming with him. In complete control, go up 1-0 and then he does that? THAT! THEN!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
We hear about being held accountable. At some point Arteta needs to enforce. Maybe that was the time :shrug:
You have to look at 8 or 9 minute period between the first and second goal. Yes, Zubimendi made the mistake that led to the goal but we shipped two great chances before that. We just fell to pieces for no reason other than that we had just taken the lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
You can point to individual errors but there are hundreds of them. The point is that by the time Zubimendi made that mistake we were NOTin control.
THAT! THEN! and to THEM!
Is it the time to point out that he bottled out during that goal in the Inter game ?Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
We all saw it, he hesitated from a 50-50 and pulled up, preferring to make himself big as the Inter lad blasted it home.
He could have made that challenge and probably blocked the effort.
There?s been a few ?f?ck me? moments recently with Zoobs but I guess he?s still adjusting.
I still expected more from one of Spains finest, mind.
It's a fair point re Inter. I guess he didn't want to charge at the ball and get beaten. But he can get much closer than he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
But you cant blame this on individuals. It's a collective failure.
Yes, it has to be if you ship three at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Their midget centre back could've seen a red, I thought.
What for? Don't get me wrong, I'd send him off just for his face.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
I surely saw him clout Jesus round the head as they chased a ball out of play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Perhaps he's feeling a little bit the tiredness. He HAS played alot and I'm guessing this is his first title race.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Oh that. No, no, just a physical 'coming together'....Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Watch it again. The 30 seconds leading up to it, and how we managed to create the problem without United even pressing. Saliba overhits the ball to him and there is no pass ahead of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
It was a big mistake but it wasnt his alone.
While we're having a moan; I didn't like #9 for #14. MaGuire & The Midge were far too comfortable all match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I don't think that would have made much difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
They say league titles are won and lost on one square foot of real estate- between the ears.
They dont actually say that, but it is true. :-)
Yes. Thing is, the way we play, that sort of thing is always going to be a potential opportunity. Asking for it, you might say. At least, that would be my thinking as an opposing coach; harry them amidships, encourage errors and be on hand to punish them swiftly before Gabriel arrives to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
They weren't even pressing much. We created the entire problem ourselves. Had we survived that chance, we would have presented them with another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
I dont think I would press us at all. I'd let the defenders have the ball and play a high line. Force us to play behind them. We dont like doing it and we are **** at it.
Liverpool worked out exactly where our trigger point is for the press and played that entire second half 5 yards ahead of it. We were sat back in formation because that is what we are told to do. Players didn't know what to do and we couldn't change it.
We are coached very precisely and it can be stifling. And for such a good side our reliance on own goals and set pieces is embarrassing.
I think the precision and caution is what is telling the players they aren't quite good enough.
If it isn't true, it ought to be :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I disagree in that Jesus is more predictable; you know what he wants to do. NOBODY knows what Vik wants to do (not yet anyway), probably not even Vik. So he necessarily attracts more heat, freeing up others and so on.
One wonderful early pass out to the left from the captain gave us hope for some chaos, something different. But alas.
There was one part where Jesus was free on the left and turned back. I'm so used to it that it barely registered.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Why on earth was Martinelli left on the bench the whole game? Madueke was a crazy decision.
Sure, if you don't want to actually score against us. And yes, being so good at corners certainly suggests an awful lot of repetition on the training ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Still, we remain top and it's been awhile since we conceded three or lost at the Emirates so there's plenty of hope. And even Bayern Munich lost at home yesterday, to the mighty Augsburg, so it CAN happen.
Perhaps Mikel was confused by having so many players available :-)
As you know, I've questioned us all season, to the irritation of some on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
We've won the league 5 times in my lifetime. Each time I knew I was watching a side that was capable of winning the league. And a side that believed that it could.
This season, I'm not convinced. Haven't been since day one. We are not dominant in games, we play with fear and we dont score enough goals.
I think that City's collapse triggered the players and forced them to confront the fact that it was their title to win. And it has scared them.
Maybe they can get their heads around it now. Maybe they'll settle and we'll be ok.
But I remain unconvinced.
I want Havertz back......
I wouldn't even say we went into game management mode today, because we absolutely **** ourselves when we went in front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Today was a team, bizarrely given they are top of the league, devoid of confidence. The crowd sensed it and so did Man Utd.. why the **** do we always **** ourselves v them? They're a poor team that were way better than us today. Predictable.
Don Henley said that sometimes success can be every bit as terrifying as failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
But then The Eagles never won the league, so what the **** does he know...
Take it to the limitQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Already gone
Etc
He did also write the line " .. saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac". Which is more or less the same as winning the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
That's why we should've started VG :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Yeah, when you're in the melee it's nice to be able to just turn and hoof the ball forward. Even if it comes straight back, you've had a brief, but crucial moment to gather yourself without having to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
We actually did this when Viktor came on :-\
We haven't had that spirit here since 1989.... :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
I did try to tell you all, he's alright but he is no Alan Ball :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters