Ref is going to be itching to give them everything in the second half. Raya needs to sprint through every goal kick or he'll be off.
**** knows what Saka was thinking with the penalty :-(
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Ref is going to be itching to give them everything in the second half. Raya needs to sprint through every goal kick or he'll be off.
**** knows what Saka was thinking with the penalty :-(
Not sure we can question the ref at this point, Pedro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
He and VAR have been excellent.
Madrid must be shocked by what they?re seeing :-)
Hmmmmm. Giving the RM pelanty in the first place was ropey as ****. I don't trust the ****. VAR gave the Arsenal pelanty.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
He could easily have ignored VAR for their pen, IQuote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
Took some balls to overturn that at the Bernabeu
I like him - so far :-)
I'm with IUFG. I'll reserve judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Dunno. Has a referee ever been summoned to the monitor before telling the VAR people to get stuffed.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Would have taken some balls to watch that decision back and then stand by it. He didn't really have a choice. Ridiculous decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Not quite sure how Mbappe didn't get booked for divingQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Rice had both his arms around Mbappe, even if it was a dive. You have no right to complain if you put your arms around a player and then have a foul given against you. It's really f*cking stupid and quite difficult to put your arms around a player and not touch him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I was shocked he overturned it.
Disagree, it was never a pen, embarrassing that he gave it in the 1st place. He doesn't hold him and Mbappe quite clearly throws himself to the floorQuote:
Originally Posted by WES
I agree it wasn't a pen.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
My point is that it's really stupid to put your arms around a player like that, you're asking for a foul to be given.
If you don't plan on holding him, what are your arms doing there? I expect that was very much in the mind of the ref when he gave it.
Every player in the box has their arms around an opponent, or a handful of shirt. It is how you defejd and attack a set piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
It is ludicrous to single one out unless it is coupled with an actual foul.
Can't say I'm 100% on our penalty. I agree it s a foul, I am just so used to seeing those ignored in the premier league.
There is a very big difference between having a hold of someone's shirt and standing behind them with both of your arms around them. Every player in the box definitely does not do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Rice was stupid, and we got lucky that VAR intervened and the ref had the balls to overturn it.
It was never a penalty, but had it been given I would have blamed Rice for being stupid.
Also not convinced on the penalty we were given. It was either a pen or a very good dive by Merino, not sure which.
So you would have blamed Rice for not fouling someone, and doing what everyone does at a set piece?Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
I'd blame him for standing there doing nothing. So poor old Declan is getting **** from one of us either way :-)
Are you channeling Donald Trump's press secretary, Peter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
You have said twice now that he was doing what everyone does at a set piece and you know it isn't true. Everyone does not put both arms around an opposition player from behind at a set piece. This is not true. This is fake news.
I would have been more than happy for him to do what he should have done. Got goal side of Mbappe and grabbed some of his shirt with one hand.
Now that is what everyone does, Peter :-)
It wasn't a pen but I agree with you. I wish that for all corners, the first person who grabs hold of another gets penalised. Either a pen or FK. It would be madness for the first 2-3 months of the season but it needs to be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Btw, how are you finding Gay Paree. I heard you watched the first leg in the 8e. Used to stay there with a mate just off Madelaine. A DJ called C-Bass who used to do Thursday nights at the Gibus in Republique. Nicest bouncers in history. C-Bass would take a bottle of vodka in his record bags and we'd drink it behind the decks. Bouncer saw us and gave us a nod, saying I'm ok, just don't let the owner catch you.
One night my mate and I got back from Amsterdam but got to the Gibus after it had started. Bouncer said sorry, you're not on the guest list {our mates didn't know we'd be there.} Asked if he could go inside and ask but he said he had to stay outside.
*******s, we said. No probs. He smiled and said in you go, I know you're part of their crew and you'd be on the list if they knew you were in town.
As I say, the most civilised bouncers.
I didn't know The Gibus was a well established venue until I saw it in a film about French punks in the '70s.
But where's this bar in the 8th you watched the game at? And where will you watch the PSG game?
I could see one arm around him, but not clutching him. Not sure I saw both arms around him. I am pretty sure that what I saw was what happens at every set piece, and that it wasn't a foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
There are limits to what you can get away with at a set piece, we all accept that. Rice was comfortably within those limits and made no foul. Given that, I'm afraid the only people I can blame are the idiot who gave the penalty and the guy who dived.
The only reason the ref gave that penalty was because he gave ours. 999 times out of a thousand a ref laughs at that incident.
Sorry. I watched it again and you're talking nonsense :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
He doesn't even have one arm around him. Mbappe is backing in, has his arm around Rice's side. Rice's left arm is locked with his and going across his body. Rice's other arm is doing nothing. It is bog standard grappling from both and not even close to being a foul.
And the reason he isn't goalside of him is because doing so would play everyone onside.
Rice is perfect there, has done absolutely nothing wrong :-)
Well, let?s just agree to disagree, Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
His left arm is absolutely around him and his right arm is touching him, is that better? Either way it was stupid.
And if you think that letting your man get goal side of you and between you and the ball is a good way of defending a set piece I?m not convinced on your defensive strategy.
Now, shall we switch to something we can agree on? Just Like Tom Thumb?s Blues came on my playlist the other day :love:
Paris est bon, GG, tres bon! French isn?t progressing as quickly as I hoped but definitely getting better. Loving the food scene, art scene, music scene and generally exploring the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
I watched the game at Brady?s Irish pub on Rue Lisbonne. Nice little place and they have Piper?s crisps to eat with my pints of lager! I live just north of Parc Monceau in Courcelles so just walk through the park and turn left onto Rue Lisbonne and Brady?s is about 5 min walk. Will be there for the PSG game as well if you plan on being in the city. My schwarma place is in Marais so too far for a post match kebab. Not many kebab shops in the 8th sadly.
First leg only GG, in India for the 2nd leg sadlyQuote:
Originally Posted by WES
Disappointed, Wes. The French have softened you up. A year ago this argument would have lasted for weeks :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Fair point well made :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Re: French. Does the glw speak it? Even if only basically, try to speak it together. It will get you more comfortable with the simple things so they come naturally - genders, common terms, verb conjugation and tenses - and get talking translation apps on your phones so you can both look for words or expressions you're searching for. It really helps if you're there with another Brit.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Oh, you're the sort of person who'd have Netflix. Watch everything in English with French subs. And pause and google when something doesn't make sense. That really helps.
And if you have a good French mate, ask them to correct you. We had lots of Italian raver mates in London. One spoke really good English, and I'd correct him when he made an error. He said "You're my only English mate who does that. Everyone won't cause they don't want to appear rude but how else will I learn?"
Get a local and chat with the barman. I never learned Italian but when I was in Sardinia once, using a Lonely Planet phrase book, I managed to get one to use teletext to find out the Arsenal CL qualifier score. {We won 3-0} and I started to communicate.
OH, this could be really helpful. One of my best mates moved back to France and does translation work. She says that by law, French companies have to pay staff who want it to do things once a month that would boost the worker's skills and productivity. So she teaches them business English by Zoom or whatever. {Also once got paid €4k for five days translating for their Foreign Office - they share that well paid work around. Very civilised.}
So it could be that your company, by law, would have to pay my mate Decibel [or someone else] to teach you French once a month.
Ask them, or if you want, I could ask her and see if it works that way.
Having an online one-to-one lesson with someone bilingual who can speak to you in French but correct and teach you could really help. And she works at every level - people having their first Business English lessons to translating formal documents for the French state.
Old skool raver but sweet as ****, married with a kid and two cats etc.
I think the state pays the company to pay your teacher once a month. So while they get one day's less work, it doesn't cost them and your increased proficiency adds to the company's {your} productivity.
Let me know if you want me to look into it. But always have Fr subs on Netflix and try to speak it at home.
Bon chance, poto.
Thanks GG, great advice. I'm doing pretty much all of that - Mrs WES is learning it too and we're both doing courses and endlessly asking people 'encore et lentement svp' so we can learn it. My professeur is a quite attractive uni student who lives in Mauritius!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
Toughest part is just how quickly the Frenchies speak! Still struggle with penetrating the accent.
We'll get there but it is more slowly than I had hoped. I can pretty much read it now and speaking is ciming along. Someone told me I'd be fluent in 3 months but no chance of that, sadly.
Paris is, well, Paris. There's a reason it's the most visited city in the world. Loving it here. Can't imagine life without a tradition every day.
'encore et lentement svp' is vital.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
What you really want is one or more best mates. I remember being with one of my best mates in Toulouse and one lunchtime she had a couple of friends 'round. They were nattering away but when she saw one of her mates had spoken to fast for me, she'd repeat what she'd been asked and answer in noticeably slower French. That way her mates would remember I was there and listening {and speaking a bit}, would get my level and would all make an effort to slow it down a bit for me.
If you have a best mate who takes you out and introduces you to his mates, he'll do the same, hopefully. Certainly once you ask. Despite what Brexiter types say, Parisians are incredibly polite if you try to speak their lingo.
Likewise, as with that Italian mate of mine, ask your mates to correct your errors, say it's not offending you, quite the opposite. Th ey'll get used to it and it makes it easier to remember what they corrected cos you can visualise where you were told.
Are you watching Netflix with Fr subs? We only have iPlayer at home but when staying with my mate opposite Ile St Louis, his 20 year old daughter was really into this Ch4 comedy set in a Bristol 6th form college so we watched that each night along with computer football and decent music.
So I'd listen to the English, read the French words and when something didn't make sense, I'd hit pause ad ask her. Might get a 3 word answer, we might talk about why the language was like that for 10-15 mins.
{It was great cos I once helped her. Two of the 6th formers, bf and gf, were sitting by the river in Bristol.
Boy: My mum and dad really feck me up, Kerry.
Girl: Yeah, Steve, but they don't mean to, y'know.
Boy: I get that Kerry, but they really do.
When I told her that was basically a famous post-war poem by Phillip Larkin she was amazed. It made her love the show even more.}
Oh, one time I was in Toulouse and the bloke was there with one of his male mates. The 12-2pm local tv show was on. We'd all been chatting and my French was at its very best 'round then. TV show had an article on Brit retirees living in the area who were doing French cookery lessons. My mates mate said in French "Fear God, the ****ing English get everywhere" and he nodded in my direction to remind his mate he'd been talking to a Rosbif.
PS I'd kill to be able to get a tradition every day here.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Oh, and French music you like. Get the lyrics up and learn the song. That really helps. I know what a bullet proof vest is cos of the punk song, Petit papa Noel by Les Sales Majest?s for example.
Helps with the various accents, too.