Yeah Burney and WES are right - there would have been no benefit at all in in Andrew Neil asking him to explain this comment :rolleyes:
Yeah Burney and WES are right - there would have been no benefit at all in in Andrew Neil asking him to explain this comment :rolleyes:
Look m, I know you and your people are a little sensitive just now but Israel - Really? It's a bit like an unruly mob of Romans pitching up in England and forcibly reclaiming their old stomping grounds, doubtless claiming that having built the infastructure, they had a valid legal case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
No, no there wouldn't, because Corbyn had already been skewered on the topic by Neil. You do realise that at some point enough is enough, right? The voting public will only pay attention to any issue for so long and then you have to move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
If the entire focus had been on Corbyn's personal history it would have been a fatal blow - his Frost/Nixon moment. Instead, by focussing on his failure to tackle anti-semitism in the wider party, rather than his own anti-Semitism, it has merely damaged him.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Sadly, we have to accept that, in light of all the available evidence, 32% of the electorate are prepared to vote for a rabid anti-semite, which suggests that a third of the adult population of this country are confirmed jew-haters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
You're not going to change their minds about Corbyn because he hates jews. They like that he hates jews. :shrug:
Whether this sickness on the left has been caused by decades of using Israel as a front to pander to the muslim vote is a further question... I believe may otherwise decent people have simply been brainwashed by the constant dripfeed of propaganda by the leftist media into believing that Israel, and by extension all jews, are evil.
Yeah, because him laying that wreath, calling Hamas his friends etc etc has hardly been mentioned at all over the past few yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
:rolleyes:
I hate to do this WES but I'll have to sort of side with our wasp-breeder-in-chief monty on this. I have never actually seen any footage or images of Corbyn laying the wreath though I'm sure such footage exists. I have read and heard more about his transgressions from AWIMB than any other source. Just sayin' like.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
I hate to point this out to you but the general public don't really care, might not like it but they would rather focus on the NHS and Brexit rather than his views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
It's always played second fiddle to the far less damaging claim that he's been too weak in dealing with the problem in the party, which can always be countered with claims of Tory racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Corbyn's personal history should place him among the most reviled public figures on earth among all anti-racists, and it would be very simple to frame the charge sheet against him in a way that makes it impossible for any of his supporters to defend.
This has always been an option that every interviewer, including the otherwise fantastic Neil, has chosen to reject.
His Frost/Nixon moment would not be to merely turn public opinion against him - it would be to force him to resign in disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
you sure about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Why do you think focusing on Corbyn's anti-semitism will hurt Labour more in the election than focusing on Labour's anti-semitism?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Because that seems to be the argument you're making. BTW, I think there has been plenty of focus on both.
I also think that offering him the opportunity to apologise 4 times and having him refuse to do so each time was far more damaging than dragging up something he said or did in the past. F*cking miles more. Well done, Neil.
Of course. If his supporters within the party been denied the cover to keep coming out and defending, obfuscating and deflecting for him, there would have been huge internal pressure for him to resign. His colleagues would have been compelled to tell him he has to step down for the sake of the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
But the media has given them sufficient cover to continue the pretense that this is merely a party-wide problem rather than a Jeremy Corbyn problem.
Again, I don't think the public care tbh. Come a GE they will focus on what concerns them personlly rather than wider held beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Boris seems to have had his dodgy dealings with that girl while he was London Mayor completely brushed under the carpet, miss use in a public office is a serious charge but has been ignored.
All are valid, but you've missed one thing, C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
The interweb and social media.
Yer average hard lefty is opposed to capitalism and wants to find a less egregious replacement. At the start of the decade, some fückwitted lefty acquaintance put some 30 min economics-for-dummies style youtube video on his fb page and they were all raving about it.
It said that paper money and what they called "fractional reserve banking" {banks being able to lend out a percentage of their deposits} were the root of all evil. I tried to explain why this isn't the case, you know, having actually studied it properly.
The point is that this wasn't some proto-Momentum lot, it was from those far-right Septic nutters who think the Fed is a vast conspiracy as opposed to being a central bank.
Now yes, there's always been Israel which they see as the no.1 imperialist state. And the thick ones see the disproportionate number of Jews working in finance without understanding that this is easily explained by the history of usury in Catholic Europe.
But we never really had an open anti-Sem problem in the UK as they have had historically in Europe. {We never had a Drefuss Affair, we had anti-Catholic Gordon Riots.}
This changed when Jez came in and started making it acceptable.
All his young fans found anti-Semitic videos online and shared them with each other. And if you're so thick you believe this racism, you're also probably be too thick to check and find that the video was posted by far-right Americans.
So, despite their hatred of Septics, fascists and racists, they've been brainwashed into racism by the videos of Septic fascists.
Basically, it needed youtube, social media, and historic anglophone anti-Sem in the US for Corbyn to have caused such a rapid rise in jew-baiting.