Those dirty commies want to steal my school.

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09-23-2019, 09:34 AM
Sir C

Those dirty commies want to steal my school.

Over my dead body. Friends! To the barricades!
09-23-2019, 09:52 AM
IUFG

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Over my dead body. Friends! To the barricades!

We will confiscate private businesses and decide where and how you can spend your hard earned cash.

Seems fair :rolleyes:
09-23-2019, 09:53 AM
PSRB

The lefty bedwetters are also looking to blame Brexit on Thomas Cook collapse, rather than the fact they entirely outdated business model and have been run appallingly for the past 10 years
09-23-2019, 09:55 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by IUFG

We will confiscate private businesses and decide where and how you can spend your hard earned cash.

Seems fair :rolleyes:

What I'd really like to see is Jeremy and The Boy Owen telling the First XV that their school now belongs toi the state. :hehe:
09-23-2019, 09:56 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by PSRB

The lefty bedwetters are also looking to blame Brexit on Thomas Cook collapse, rather than the fact they entirely outdated business model and have been run appallingly for the past 10 years

10 years, you say?

Thomas Cook's incompetence led to them giving me around £7,000 once. As a sort of gift. :hehe: wd tc.
09-23-2019, 10:05 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Over my dead body. Friends! To the barricades!

They never explain how destroying excellent schools will make all the other schools better, do they? They just persist in this mad idea that levelling everything downwards will somehow improve what's left because it just will. They never acknowledge that the removal of privileged access to quality does not mean that that quality is spread more widely. It never has in history because that's not how the supply of goods and services works.

It's purely envy, spite and magical thinking - the equivalent of thinking that closing down Michelin-starred restaurants will somehow make Gregg's food better.
09-23-2019, 10:23 AM
Monty92

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Originally Posted by Burney

They never explain how destroying excellent schools will make all the other schools better, do they? They just persist in this mad idea that levelling everything downwards will somehow improve what's left because it just will. They never acknowledge that the removal of privileged access to quality does not mean that that quality is spread more widely. It never has in history because that's not how the supply of goods and services works.

It's purely envy, spite and magical thinking - the equivalent of thinking that closing down Michelin-starred restaurants will somehow make Gregg's food better.

Dunno what the research says, but it seems logical to assume that chucking a load of kids into a state school who would otherwise have gone to private school will raise the standards of the state school :shrug:

I'd definitely be chuffed to bits if my kids' school suddenly had an influx of the type of kids who get sent to private school.
09-23-2019, 10:25 AM
PSRB

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Dunno what the research says, but it seems local to assume that chucking a load of kids into a state school who would otherwise have gone to private school will raise the standards of the state school :shrug:

I'd definitely be chuffed to bits if my kids' school suddenly had an influx of the type of kids who get sent to private school.

Surely there will just be a massive rise in home education via private tutors?
09-23-2019, 10:28 AM
IUFG

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Originally Posted by Burney

They never explain how destroying excellent schools will make all the other schools better, do they? They just persist in this mad idea that levelling everything downwards will somehow improve what's left because it just will. They never acknowledge that the removal of privileged access to quality does not mean that that quality is spread more widely. It never has in history because that's not how the supply of goods and services works.

It's purely envy, spite and magical thinking - the equivalent of thinking that closing down Michelin-starred restaurants will somehow make Gregg's food better.

I think it was John McDonnell on the radio this morning who would not answer the question about the knock on effect of house prices (and other economic impacts) if this educational utopia was realised. All he would say was "isn't it better if all schools are excellent"

Quite clearly it is targetting Eton (#AbolishEton) because of Tory prime ministers and other aristocrati types whilst not considering the thousands of other private schools where parents scrimp and save to give their kids a better education than the local comp.

Still, at least we can look forward to more public sector strikes...
09-23-2019, 10:36 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Dunno what the research says, but it seems logical to assume that chucking a load of kids into a state school who would otherwise have gone to private school will raise the standards of the state school :shrug:

I'd definitely be chuffed to bits if my kids' school suddenly had an influx of the type of kids who get sent to private school.

Well, no, since the comprehensive experiment has shown that, without strict segregation and streaming (which Labour also opposes), everyone goes at the speed of the slowest, with the best dragged down by the worst.

Besides which, do you imagine the wealthiest people in the country wouldn't immediately game the system to ensure their kids retained an advantage? All this would mean is that areas near good schools would see massive demand for property (imagine now, but 100 times worse) that forced even the relatively comfortable middle classes out of the area. Those middle classes would then sell their houses and move to other areas, forcing out those below them on the socio-economic ladder. You would end up with a tiered system by default and those at the bottom would be worse off than ever.

At the end of the day, you can't buck the market. Where there is demand, there will be supply - by whatever means. This is something socialists have never, ever learned because they don't want to.
09-23-2019, 10:40 AM
redgunamo

I was gonna say, weren't there similar headlines about Thomas Cook a few years back?

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Originally Posted by PSRB

The lefty bedwetters are also looking to blame Brexit on Thomas Cook collapse, rather than the fact they entirely outdated business model and have been run appallingly for the past 10 years
09-23-2019, 10:46 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

I was gonna say, weren't there similar headlines about Thomas Cook a few years back?

Apparently, the lefties think we should spend millions ferrying these awful people home because as emptors they chose to ignore a caveat.

Fúck 'em imo. Let 'em rot. Apart from anything else, I suspect most of them are probably rather common.
09-23-2019, 10:51 AM
PSRB

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

I was gonna say, weren't there similar headlines about Thomas Cook a few years back?

Chap left our advertising agency a couple of months ago to work for Thomas Cook, we all said he was mad
09-23-2019, 11:07 AM
Pokster

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Originally Posted by Burney

They never explain how destroying excellent schools will make all the other schools better, do they? They just persist in this mad idea that levelling everything downwards will somehow improve what's left because it just will. They never acknowledge that the removal of privileged access to quality does not mean that that quality is spread more widely. It never has in history because that's not how the supply of goods and services works.

It's purely envy, spite and magical thinking - the equivalent of thinking that closing down Michelin-starred restaurants will somehow make Gregg's food better.

And what's wrong with Greggs
09-23-2019, 11:10 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Pokster

And what's wrong with Greggs

The customers, mostly.
09-23-2019, 11:11 AM
Monty92

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Originally Posted by Burney

Well, no, since the comprehensive experiment has shown that, without strict segregation and streaming (which Labour also opposes), everyone goes at the speed of the slowest, with the best dragged down by the worst.

Besides which, do you imagine the wealthiest people in the country wouldn't immediately game the system to ensure their kids retained an advantage? All this would mean is that areas near good schools would see massive demand for property (imagine now, but 100 times worse) that forced even the relatively comfortable middle classes out of the area. Those middle classes would then sell their houses and move to other areas, forcing out those below them on the socio-economic ladder. You would end up with a tiered system by default and those at the bottom would be worse off than ever.

At the end of the day, you can't buck the market. Where there is demand, there will be supply - by whatever means. This is something socialists have never, ever learned because they don't want to.

Sure, although educational attainment isn't everything. It's also about the peer group they're exposed to.

You'll be hard-pressed to convince me that my kids wouldn't benefit from a few less Shannons and Billy Bob Joes and a few more Clementines and Jacobs.
09-23-2019, 11:19 AM
Herbert Augustus Chapman

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Sure, although educational attainment isn't everything. It's also about the peer group they're exposed to.

You'll be hard-pressed to convince me that my kids wouldn't benefit from a few less Shannons and Billy Bob Joes and a few more Clementines and Jacobs.

No m .. your kids would just get the shít beaten out of them. One can only be rude and disparaging to chavs from the safety of a keyboard. Do it for real and they tend to lash out.
09-23-2019, 11:21 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Sure, although educational attainment isn't everything. It's also about the peer group they're exposed to.

You'll be hard-pressed to convince me that my kids wouldn't benefit from a few less Shannons and Billy Bob Joes and a few more Clementines and Jacobs.

That's not what happens in schools, though. If we assume a broad social mix, the kids with the most cachet would be the harder (ie generally poorer) kids. In order not to get their heads kicked in, the posher kids would tone it down to sound and act more like the scum. Result? Everyone ends up sounding and acting like Shannon and Billy Bob Joe.
09-23-2019, 11:21 AM
Herbert Augustus Chapman

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Originally Posted by Burney

. Apart from anything else, I suspect most of them are probably rather common.

And they are the scum you entered an unholy alliance with to get your leave vote. If they ain't back in time for the GE The Libs will win and just take us straight back into the EU :hehe:
09-23-2019, 11:22 AM
IUFG

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Originally Posted by Burney

The customers, mostly.

Have you never purchased their sausage rolls, b?
or the ambrosia that is a steak bake?
09-23-2019, 11:34 AM
Monty92

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Originally Posted by Burney

That's not what happens in schools, though. If we assume a broad social mix, the kids with the most cachet would be the harder (ie generally poorer) kids. In order not to get their heads kicked in, the posher kids would tone it down to sound and act more like the scum. Result? Everyone ends up sounding and acting like Shannon and Billy Bob Joe.

Nah, you just befriend the right parents and make sure your kids hang out with theirs outside of school.
09-23-2019, 12:46 PM
WES

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Dunno what the research says, but it seems logical to assume that chucking a load of kids into a state school who would otherwise have gone to private school will raise the standards of the state school :shrug:

I'd definitely be chuffed to bits if my kids' school suddenly had an influx of the type of kids who get sent to private school.

Yes, that's true. Despite having sent my son to precisely the sort of school they are targeting, I actually have sympathy for the idea that they should be abolished. The state school system in Surrey is much worse than in Kent or Essex because the proliferation of private schools here means the state school system is deprived of many of its best students. Which then makes parents like me even more likely to send our children to private schools.

Would have been nice to save the £££ it cost me too. :-(
09-23-2019, 12:49 PM
Pokster

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Originally Posted by WES

Yes, that's true. Despite having sent my son to precisely the sort of school they are targeting, I actually have sympathy for the idea that they should be abolished. The state school system in Surrey is much worse than in Kent or Essex because the proliferation of private schools here means the state school system is deprived of many of its best students. Which then makes parents like me even more likely to send our children to private schools.

Would have been nice to save the £££ it cost me too. :-(

Part of the "issue" is these schools class themselves as a charity and avoid paying business tax and get generous grants when in effect they are a company
09-23-2019, 01:12 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Pokster

Part of the "issue" is these schools class themselves as a charity and avoid paying business tax and get generous grants when in effect they are a company

Well they used to fulfil the charitable aspect of their status by providing far more assisted places to students. Three guesses which party abolished that in 1997.

What with that and destroying grammar schools, it's almost like Labour just want to keep poor people poor, isn't it?
09-23-2019, 01:55 PM
Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

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Originally Posted by Sir C

What I'd really like to see is Jeremy and The Boy Owen telling the First XV that their school now belongs toi the state. :hehe:

My main school head-master was a former England rugby captain. Most boring cünt on the planet. I'd have thought rugby boys would be entertaining - one of our prep school masters had some U21 caps, which he showed us, and he was a laugh.

But the ex-captain was so dull it was unbelievable. Still, they've let in girls now and changed the motto so fück 'em.
09-23-2019, 01:58 PM
Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

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Originally Posted by IUFG

I think it was John McDonnell on the radio this morning who would not answer the question about the knock on effect of house prices (and other economic impacts) if this educational utopia was realised. All he would say was "isn't it better if all schools are excellent"

Quite clearly it is targetting Eton (#AbolishEton) because of Tory prime ministers and other aristocrati types whilst not considering the thousands of other private schools where parents scrimp and save to give their kids a better education than the local comp.

Still, at least we can look forward to more public sector strikes...

It is shocking that 20 of our 55 PMs went to Eton. I couldn't understand it if 20/55 went to one of the dozen or so very top public schools. But 20 just to Eton? That seems scary to me.
09-23-2019, 02:00 PM
Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

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Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman

And they are the scum you entered an unholy alliance with to get your leave vote. If they ain't back in time for the GE The Libs will win and just take us straight back into the EU :hehe:

GPWM, Herbs.
09-23-2019, 02:03 PM
Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

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Originally Posted by WES

Yes, that's true. Despite having sent my son to precisely the sort of school they are targeting, I actually have sympathy for the idea that they should be abolished. The state school system in Surrey is much worse than in Kent or Essex because the proliferation of private schools here means the state school system is deprived of many of its best students. Which then makes parents like me even more likely to send our children to private schools.

Would have been nice to save the £££ it cost me too. :-(

I demanded to leave public school after o-levels and went to Reigate 6th form college. It was ace. In history, there were only 7 of us at the start and just 4 by upper 6th. As the 3 girls were quite quiet, I basically got 1-to-1 tuition, as I did for my two S-levels.

And Reigate's in Surrey. I think.
09-23-2019, 02:05 PM
PSRB

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

I demanded to leave public school after o-levels and went to Reigate 6th form college. It was ace. In history, there were only 7 of us at the start and just 4 by upper 6th. As the 3 girls were quite quiet, I basically got 1-to-1 tuition, as I did for my two S-levels.

And Reigate's in Surrey. I think.

I chose to stay in state school in Surrey, hindsight tells me that was ****ing dumb and my parents should never have given me the choice!!

That said, my recent inheritance would have been quite so substantial, so every cloud and all that
09-23-2019, 02:06 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

It is shocking that 20 of our 55 PMs went to Eton. I couldn't understand it if 20/55 went to one of the dozen or so very top public schools. But 20 just to Eton? That seems scary to me.

Why? An elite institution producing people who go on to obtain the highest office in the land is surely how it's supposed to be?
09-23-2019, 02:09 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by PSRB

I chose to stay in state school in Surrey, hindsight tells me that was ****ing dumb and my parents should never have given me the choice!!

That said, my recent inheritance would have been quite so substantial, so every cloud and all that

Where might you have gone, psrb?
09-23-2019, 02:28 PM
PSRB

Frensham Heights
09-23-2019, 02:32 PM
PSRB

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Originally Posted by Burney

Why? An elite institution producing people who go on to obtain the highest office in the land is surely how it's supposed to be?

That's always been my thoughts on it. I find these, "they're all from Eton, posh ****s" stuff rather weird.

Nothing stopping anyone from getting into politics, if it's an interest.
09-23-2019, 02:38 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by PSRB

That's always been my thoughts on it. I find these, "they're all from Eton, posh ****s" stuff rather weird.

Nothing stopping anyone from getting into politics, if it's an interest.

Eton. Christ Church. Oxford Union. Job done.

That's the route. You'd go to RADA if you want to act or Sandhurst if you want to be an Army Officer. No different.
09-23-2019, 02:47 PM
Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

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Originally Posted by Burney

Why? An elite institution producing people who go on to obtain the highest office in the land is surely how it's supposed to be?

But I don't see why Eton should be so much more elite than the others schools in the same price range. Why aren't Harrow, Charterhouse, St Pauls, Westminster, Winchester, Marlborough, Wellington etc equally represented?

That's the point I'm making.
09-23-2019, 04:19 PM
redgunamo

It's not more elite, it merely returns more prime ministers.

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

But I don't see why Eton should be so much more elite than the others schools in the same price range. Why aren't Harrow, Charterhouse, St Pauls, Westminster, Winchester, Marlborough, Wellington etc equally represented?

That's the point I'm making.
09-24-2019, 03:26 PM
Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

It's not more elite, it merely returns more prime ministers.

Yeah. But why? Why does Eton have more PMs than all the other top public schools put together?

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