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if you would be kind enough to lead the fulminations?
If I may add a little fuel, did you see Diane Abbot while comrade Jeremy was delivering his very excellent evisceration of the scoundrel Boris? She was chewing away like a demented bovine. I think she may now actually be mentally ill.
I've always had time for Ken Clarke, but it's come to a pretty pass when I'm looking at Philip Hammond and Fatty Soames as brothers in arms, and feel disgusted about the way their party has treated them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
Lord Fink in The Times today says its either No Deal or Corbyn. {Perhaps just to forgive himself for helping enable no deal, potentially.}
If that really is the choice, I hope this country gets nuked just after the glw and I have emigrated. You're more than welcome to join us in the Parvati Valley, Herbs.
He now can't get a deal as the ERG would refuse it and he'd have to sack them. The Tory party is now socially the Brexit Party, and economically hoping to ape American right-of-party Republicans.
Keef Joseph once explained to Maggie the difference between Conservatism and Republicanism. And I doubt BoJo, for all his 2nd class classics degree, would understand it.
How can a soi disant Conservative and Unionist be prepared to change the UK into four separate failed states just to hang onto power a bit longer?
Am i right in saying that 2/3rds of the house have to back a GE for it to be possible? And that they won't back it until the law to take no deal off the table is passed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
You've missed a minor detail, g.
On 23rd June 2016 the electorate voted on a referendum, mandated by parliament, to leave the EU.
On 23rd June 2016 every political party in the UK became the Brexit Party, for if political parties do not exist to carry out the wishes of the electorate, why do they exist?
Not exactly..2/3 of the house if he wants to bypass the fixed term...if he calls for a vote of no confidence then just a majority of 1 would be enough..... if he wants an election he is almost certain to get one, just depends how we get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Rich
The question was one or the other, so all this other deal/no deal* is all rather confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
the public are mostly idiots either way so shouldn't have been asked.
*I am yet to figure out why Noel Edmunds is involved.
are will be glad to share his lady? She will find me a fiery and capable paramour despite my advancing years.
I thought old father Ken did an excellent soft slaughter of the reptile Rees-Mogg with his "how can he keep a straight face" tack. RM's discomfort was palpable.
I am badly conflicted. Any man that can keep Diane Abbot on his front bench is clearly deficient and the idea of a Labour government fills me with foreboding. But what is more important to me, more than the very fabric democracy, is that the Bullingdon club *****stain Boris fails.
I have encountered his ilk a few times since moving from trade into IT, an industry that attracts toxic charlatans like moths to the flame, and they will ruin a company and the livelihood of all who sail in it with their reckless posturing, safe always in the knowledge that their network will sort them out with their next adventure. I believe I despise him even more deeply than Sir Alex and possibly Mourinho.
Spoken like a true, pleb-hating technocrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
Ever thought of being an MP?
Despite their Orwellian claims to be acting for democracy, if the Remainer MPs who have been desperate to stop Brexit and nullify the referendum get their way, then the fabric of democracy will have taken quite the rending IMO. That Lee fellow was elected by a Leave-voting constituency on a manifesto to leave the EU. What utter contempt he has for his constituents that he does the complete opposite of what he was elected to do, and joins a party who not only wish to ignore the referendum, but would ignore a second referendum too if that was won by Leave. And people dare call that democracy? War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Technocracy is Democracy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
As for the Labour government you fear - what is that you fear? Anti-austerity policies? Nationalisation? These are not allowed in the neo-liberal EU, so I'd like to see Jeremy's face if he tried implementing them. Perhaps he'd suddenly remember why he was a Bennite Euro-Sceptic for his whole career until he ditched it to cling on to his shadow-power.
Time to start making plans for the secret underground
Odds suggest Boris has the election in the bag but this new era of social media has seen a series of major betting upsets.
Komrade Korbyn is legit contender imo
#hailhydra
Don't be ridiculous man! My concerns are far more shallow and I think I made it quite clear that it is Diane Abbot I fear. She has no discernible intellect, an infantile attention span and grasp of detail that would shame a nursery school toddler. But far worse, my sources tell me, is that she can snap a man's neck like a twig with her fanny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Oh, and for what it's worth, I believe Boris would romp an election anyway.
Wondering how this is accomplished summons some slightly disturbing imagery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
The wishes of the electorate change, C. That's why we have elections. The ability to change one's mind is what differentiates us from a dictatorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Constitutionally, it was also an advisory referendum, it was mandated by the previous parl which can't bind this one, and no manifestos matter given it was a hung parl. Therefore it's up to the MPs to be representatives, not delegates, to cite Burke.
If my side stops it then your side can go out and vote for the Brexit Party (or their Tory clone) on a manifesto of Art 50, no negotiation and WTO.
That's how it works.
We had an advisory referendum passed by a previous parl, with the HoC now containing a majority of members who stood on a "We won't have a no deal" platform. The Tories said they'd have a deal, but as long as it was better than no deal. That is a judgement to be made by the individual MP.
But no matter, we didn't vote for no deal in a binding referendum, and even if we had, the 2017 GE trumps it constitutionally. (Though if we had, the govt would have had no need to call a GE in 2017.)
The public didn't want a no deal then and don't want a no deal now. And more to the constitutional point, their elected representatives no want no deal.
If you don't like it, vote for a party that wants to change MPs from representatives to delegates, or introduce direct democracy, or even a dictatorship.
But until you do,we have over 200 years of constitutional precedence for this since Burke's declaration to the electors of Bristol in 1774.
Would have hoped a gent like yourself would have understood the constitutional history of our proud nation, C.
Just like there was no "No Deal" option on the ballot, there also wasn't an option to end our representative, parliamentary democracy.
In fact, the clusterfück of the last 3 years is all down to these two facts. And I'm afraid, constitutionally, our representatives elected in 2017 trump the non specific wishes of an advisory referendum in 2016.
Bit of a pickle, but there we be. And had the ERG voted for the proffered deal, we'd have left no matter how many lefties like me went a-protesting.
Ironically, I agree that May's deal was vassalage, and would personally rather have no deal than that (unless we first got the consent of NI to break the union in this way.)
But no deal wasn't on the ballot, nor in the manifestos, and - the only thing that matters constitutionally - isn't in the hearts of a majority of our elected representatives.
If we don't like howthey choose to vote, we can kick 'em out next GE.
This is the way it has worked since the Great Reform Act, and in many boroughs, since the preceding centuries.
1. I know what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
2. Wow. That's heavy. Our PM is a less pleasant human than Mourinho. Jeez. There should be a law against these people even standing.
:hehe: Are you familiar with the term 'tl;dr', g?
We done a voting. We made a decision. That decision can certainly be changed by a different voting. But we never got the first decision implemented.
That is the act of a dictatorship.
Oh she comes on all coy like a southern belle fluttering her eyelashes, "y'all wanna taste ma poontang honey?" and the second you fall to your knees to bury your foolish head bewteen her thighs, it's all over. This is the last thing you will ever seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ash
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Lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
This is the root of your sophistry, that the referendum was 'advisory' and therefore can be ignored while pretending this is still democracy.
The govt spent millions on a leaflet which said, while telling people to vote remain: "The Government will implement your decision".
A campaign leaflet is not written law. It's a politicians promise worth less than the paper it was printed on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
It wasn't a campaign leaflet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
True, I responded in haste. Have just looked it up for the first time and was astonished at the pro remain stance it took. Had I been a leave I would have been incensed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
The technical point stands though. it is simply a pamphlet. It had no legal authority.
They're a throwback bunch, all right, Herb, and it's funny because usually these are my people. But I am disquietened that they would just stand by and let the British Empire, the so-called United Kingdom, fall to bits. Henry Vth is rolling over in his great right now, my friend. It ain't pretty. These sod gatherers want to go back to being painted blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
Not entirely. People say that on my odd foray onto my missus' facebook page to explain to economically-illiterate raver mates why they're being fückwitted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
I assume it either means:
1. Oh, thank you. You're so right. I see the error of my ways now.
or 2. Please explain further in another essay length post.
I can never be sure which.
You're lucky East. As an american your life is very simple. All you are concerned with is a plentiful supply of cheap carbohydrates, weak beer and the continued right to possess a gun. Life here is far more complex and nuanced. We invented cricket you know!Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
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Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
All you are concerned with is a plentiful supply of cheap carbohydrates, weak beer and the continued right to possess a gun.
What you said right there :thumbup: