can go suck a fat one.
This is unmistakably set up for 2-1 Spurs in the away leg and then what? We just carry on as normal?
You lot make me laugh.
can go suck a fat one.
This is unmistakably set up for 2-1 Spurs in the away leg and then what? We just carry on as normal?
You lot make me laugh.
You’re the one who keeps slobbering over Emery’s cöck, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
And this is all his fault - you mark my words.
I have just been told that exact thing. It was from a Spurs fan though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Do you whack off whilst this is happening? like some sort of Football cuckold situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Yes, I'm pretty certain Spurs will go through, probably 2-1 as you describe. This CL is either a joy or a travesty depending on who you support. The Munichs going through against PSG was probably the greatest travesty since the Mike Riley raping in 2004* and if that can happen, anything can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
So Liverpool Spurs in the CL final then. We should steel ourselves for that, I'm afraid. Two teams with very impressive managers, either of which could be managing Arsenal right now if not for the Wenger sycophants. It is they who are to blame for this.
* you go IUFG, you go girl
If you allow yourself to believe the narrative driven press then yes, they are two great managers presiding over two of the greatest teams the world has ever seen. Alternatively you could look at what those two managers have won, how many times they have fallen short and ask yourself how greatly they would be lauded if they had done this at Arsenal?Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
:hehe: I like the way the narrative is shifting here. It's gone from 'Emery is great and shows us what could have been if we'd got rid of Wenger earlier', then 'Emery is hamstrung by all the Wenger signings' and now it's 'Yes, Emery is in fact shÃ*t, but we're only stuck with him because we couldn't get anyone better because we hung on to Wenger'.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
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Originally Posted by WES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM747L9Wf8M
Now we all know you are being a ***** because..Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
a) you are a *****
b) see a)
but what result would you have taken before the game???
One coud look at things like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Emery is serving up the same as what Wenger was latterly serving up (potentially not getting the top 4 and losing a Europa semi-final). So why change?
Past performance predicts future performance. So, under Wenger, we were always going to get more of the same and probably on a slightly downward trajectory, if you extrapolate league positioning.
If we continue to get the same from Emery over the next 2-3 years, I completely agree he should go and we move onto the next one.
I dare say we'll find out what we already know... it's Stan that is the real problem.
There is no reason at all to think that Emery is sh*t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I mean, apart from the away record thingy, and the fact he once went an entire season in La Liga without winning away.
Also, it'll probably take a bit of time before the players can stomach looking at his face and avoid giggling at his voice - I'm sure they'll come good when he has their undivided attention.
Wenger brought us two FA Cups and a second-place finish in his last four seasons. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
So give the new manager 4 years and see what he gives us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I'd say a manager who can't win half his games and appears to have lost his dressing room in the space of one season might just possibly be a bit shÃ*t, wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
But I thought you brought in new managers to improve things? If the best he can offer is more of the same/worse, what was the point of getting rid of Wenger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
Oh, yes, he gaves the FA cups. Very nice too. What did we have to win? 7 or 8 games? An achievement nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
That 2nd place? Every team in the league was fúck awful that season, including Lester and we were gifted second by that marvellous, over-achieing sp*rs team.
WES keeps telling us that the thing Emery has given us that Wenger no longer could is "hope" :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I would, shame for you then that he has won 20 out of 36 league gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
And yet that is what we won and where we finished nonetheless. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
My point is that your narrative of inexorable, season-on-season decline under Wenger simply isn't borne out by the facts. :shrug:
Because AW was making us gradually worse over the last few seasons, the new manager has every chance of finishing higher, gaining far more points and also the chance of a big shiny cup..... he also has the best record of any Arsenal manager for his first 50 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
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Originally Posted by Pokster
Well, Wenger would have that record if it wasn't for all the shÃ*t players he inherited.
Seaman, Keown, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, Platt, Bergkamp, Wright, Merson, Parlour, Kiwomya, etc :rolleyes:
I think we can safely say, Emery is picking up from a lower point, players-wise, than AW did.
Where did I say Emery is sh1t, exactly? And I think everyone always understood that the overwhelming majority of our players were signed by Wenger and were part of a squad that finished 6th and some 30+ points off first place, that's simply a fact. And no one ever said he was great, they said it was an impressive start but he'll be judged when the season is over (in reply to people like you saying he was sh1t).Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Other than that, great post.
I make out you know nothing about football at times, but i believe Berni knows less than even you!Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
You mean we weren't winning the league during the 90s and early 00s, then challenging for the title in the late 00s, then barely making it into the top 4 followed by a 5th place finish in his second last season and then a 6th place finish in his last season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Yeah, no sense of decline there. :hehe:
You said we could have got 'impressive managers' like Pocchetino or the Ajax bloke, but didn't because we hung on to Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
The clear implication of that is that Emery is not 'impressive' (i.e. ****).
Let's face it, you Wenger haters have backed yourselves into a corner. You have to praise what we have now because it's what you pushed for for years. Sometimes that means defending the indefensible - such as not holding the manager responsible when a team that had a top four finish there for the taking instead capitulated because it can't get a single point from four games against Leicester, Watford, Palace or Everton.
I mean don't get me wrong, it's genuinely funny watching you scurrying around trying to find excuses. But it's funny-sad rather than funny ha-ha. :-(
Still time to edit yet another mistake, we beat Watford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Stick to fishing or whatever **** sport you might know something about b
Well that would be a valid point if you wilfully ignored the utterly seismic changes to football's funding models in that period and the fact that Arsenal Football Club long resisted the types of takeover that have enormously benefitted rival clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
But yeah, that's AW's fault, right?
So a manager who isn't as impressive as Pochettino or Klopp is therefore sh1t? There is nothing in between?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
:clap:
And I was never a Wenger hater. I loved him when he performed at a high level and felt he needed to be replaced when he was no longer performing at the level the club needed. Calling someone who feels that way a 'Wenger hater' is as illogical as calling a manager sh1t because he isn't as impressive as Klopp.
Stick to grammar, Burney.
Oh, yeah. Sorry, I meant to write Wolves - which is, if anything, rather worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
Fúcking Wolves. :hehe:
Pathetic.
OK, what would you call someone who you have defined as 'not impressive', then? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
That would be a valid point if we hadn't been consistently finishing behind clubs with less money than us (Spurs, Liverpool) and Leicester hadn't won the league. The money excuse can only be taken so far when you're finishing 6th and the same distance to relegation as you are to the winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Remind me how we did last season when we needed a good run to get in the top 4.... Palace, Leicester,Watford, Newcastle, Brighton... yep, we were so much better last season :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Show me where I or anyone else on this thread said that Emery was 'not impressive'. Someone other than you, I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Take a coffee break, Burney, the ole melon seems to be having a blip.
https://i.imgur.com/k9TU06p.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
2nd to 5th to 6th.
Looks like a decline to me...
Lester winning the premier league . . . . :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
:sigh: But they didn't have 'less' money than us in real terms. In terms of available cash to spend (not to be confused with our cash reserves) pretty much all our rivals had more ready cash than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
In seven of the ten years between 2007 and 2016, we'd have made a net loss without player sales. We repeatedly had to sell our best players just to stay in the black. So the idea that we had loads of money in that period is facile.
If I say Object A is 'impressive' and bemoan the fact that I don't own Object A because I hung on too long to Object X, the clear implication is that Object B that I do now have by virtue of hanging on too long to Object X is not 'impressive'.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Something that is not 'impressive' is, by definition 'unimpressive'.
This is not difficult. :shrug:
How many of our rivals made a profit in that time? So saying we had less cash isn't altogether true, rivals might well have spent more than us and have gone into debt in that time nad have since recouped that money with better commercail deals or selling players at a later stageQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Look, B. I'm not a Wenger hater. AW just needed replacing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
We are a 'big club' with big wage bills, big ticket prices and big expectations amongst the fan base. The latter proably driven by youngsters who grew up on a Wenger era football-diet.
There was a decline (not withstanding the FA cups) in the premier league, the exception being the season when Spurs let us finish 2nd in a race we hadn't even entered. Whichever way you look at it, whether it be points total, points gap to champions, or whatever, we were / are in decline. That decline might actually be relative. i.e some others have simply got 'better'.
But to stand still and do what you have always done and expect something different is the definition of .... etc
The managers, UE and AW are simply different. We gave Wenger time and we should do the same for Emery. I doubt he'll get 10 years of failing to challenge for the league...
The same Leicester owned by the multi-billionaire who spent a fúck-load on players, you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG