Hoeness seems to be taking this Ozil business in his stride

Mesut Ozil has been slammed by Bayern Munich president Uli Hoeness after announcing his retirement from Germany in a scathing attack.
"I am glad that this scare is now over. He has been playing s*** for years," Hoeness told Sport Bild. "He last won a tackle before the 2014 World Cup. And now he and his s***** performance hide beyond this picture.
"Whenever [Bayern] played against Arsenal, we played over him because we knew that was their weak point.
"His 35 million follower boys - that don't exist in the real world - are convinced he has played sublimely when he completes a cross pass.

'He last one a tackle before the 2014 world cup :hehe:

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

Mesut Ozil has been slammed by Bayern Munich president Uli Hoeness after announcing his retirement from Germany in a scathing attack.
"I am glad that this scare is now over. He has been playing s*** for years," Hoeness told Sport Bild. "He last won a tackle before the 2014 World Cup. And now he and his s***** performance hide beyond this picture.
"Whenever [Bayern] played against Arsenal, we played over him because we knew that was their weak point.
"His 35 million follower boys - that don't exist in the real world - are convinced he has played sublimely when he completes a cross pass.

'He last one a tackle before the 2014 world cup :hehe:

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Blimey. That seems quite extraordinarily vitriolic. He really isn't a popular boy in his native Germany, is he?

Loooool this is better than an episode of Jeremy Kyle :cloud9:

I do like the stab at his fan boys.

It’s sooo annoying when he plays extremely poorly only for them to say stuff like - ignorant Arsenal fans can’t see how technically gifted and brilliant he is :shrug:

About time someone took a shot at them.

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

Mesut Ozil has been slammed by Bayern Munich president Uli Hoeness after announcing his retirement from Germany in a scathing attack.
"I am glad that this scare is now over. He has been playing s*** for years," Hoeness told Sport Bild. "He last won a tackle before the 2014 World Cup. And now he and his s***** performance hide beyond this picture.
"Whenever [Bayern] played against Arsenal, we played over him because we knew that was their weak point.
"His 35 million follower boys - that don't exist in the real world - are convinced he has played sublimely when he completes a cross pass.

'He last one a tackle before the 2014 world cup :hehe:

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I thought that tackle on Hazard in the cup final 2017 was something to behold.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Blimey. That seems quite extraordinarily vitriolic. He really isn't a popular boy in his native Germany, is he?

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He's been voted German player of the year five times since 2011. Much of the vitriol comes from Bayern fans, who are delighted.
Outside of them I'm not sure the rantings of a convict reflects the true feelings of most Germans. Hoeness is pretty much reviled by non-Bayern fans as well.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

He's been voted German player of the year five times since 2011. Much of the vitriol comes from Bayern fans, who are delighted.
Outside of them I'm not sure the rantings of a convict reflects the true feelings of most Germans. Hoeness is pretty much reviled by non-Bayern fans as well.

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And if he really is that ****, are Germany not a bit daft for continuing to pick him? I mean, they are hardly short of players.....

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

He's been voted German player of the year five times since 2011. Much of the vitriol comes from Bayern fans, who are delighted.
Outside of them I'm not sure the rantings of a convict reflects the true feelings of most Germans. Hoeness is pretty much reviled by non-Bayern fans as well.

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Let's not hold a wish not to pay 28.5 million euros in tax against a chap, la.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

He's been voted German player of the year five times since 2011. Much of the vitriol comes from Bayern fans, who are delighted.
Outside of them I'm not sure the rantings of a convict reflects the true feelings of most Germans. Hoeness is pretty much reviled by non-Bayern fans as well.

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From what I remember, I'm pretty sure Bavarians see themselves as elite and separate to the rest of Germany. That notwithstanding, his comments were harsh but resonate with a fair few of us who don't understand the game, of course. . ;-)

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Originally Posted by Burney

Let's not hold a wish not to pay 28.5 million euros in tax against a chap, la.

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Bayern fans certainly don't

"He was re-elected on 25 November 2016 with more than 97% of the votes as there were no other candidates for this position."

Mind you given the problems his predecessor is having, at least Bayern won't make too much of being photographed with the leader of a country with dubious human rights record. I mean, all Mesut handed over was a shirt, not the entire World Cup, eh Franz

https://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/a...ckenbauer.html

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Bayern fans certainly don't

"He was re-elected on 25 November 2016 with more than 97% of the votes as there were no other candidates for this position."

Mind you given the problems his predecessor is having, at least Bayern won't make too much of being photographed with the leader of a country with dubious human rights record. I mean, all Mesut handed over was a shirt, not the entire World Cup, eh Franz

https://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/a...ckenbauer.html

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I must say, la, I don't know how to feel about your new-found loathing for Bayern. I understand it, of course, but still feel that it's not quite appropriate to get all het up about what is when all's said and done a foreign team.

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

From what I remember, I'm pretty sure Bavarians see themselves as elite and separate to the rest of Germany. That notwithstanding, his comments were harsh but resonate with a fair few of us who don't understand the game, of course. . ;-)

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You're not wrong on the first part - this is indeed true. As for the second, I'm fairly sure Lionel Messi has never saved a penalty, yet is considered a good player. Özil isn't in the side to win tackles, he's there to create chances - he is phenomenally good at this (even in his "dreadful" world cup he created more than anyone in the group stages). Perphaps in the "fair few of you who don't understand the game, of course" did't think that such a player is a luxury rather than a vitally important asset, it would be worth taking you seriously :shrug:

*I may have been a bit annoyed by Bayern fans this morning

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Originally Posted by Burney

I must say, la, I don't know how to feel about your new-found loathing for Bayern. I understand it, of course, but still feel that it's not quite appropriate to get all het up about what is when all's said and done a foreign team.

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:hehe: they play at the bottom of my garden * and to be fair for a few seasons we played them as often as anyone else


*not literally but close enough

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

From what I remember, I'm pretty sure Bavarians see themselves as elite and separate to the rest of Germany. That notwithstanding, his comments were harsh but resonate with a fair few of us who don't understand the game, of course. . ;-)

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Can yopu think of a reason why, on an international level, English football has been shít since 1970, while Germany consistently win trophies and countries as small as Belgium and Holland regularly do far better than England?

Here's a tiny clue. Ever since the early 70s people have been saying that English football needs to get over its obsession with running around a lot at the expense of technique, and try to coach some skill into young players, yet nothing at all has changed.

Are you starting to understand?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Can yopu think of a reason why, on an international level, English football has been shít since 1970, while Germany consistently win trophies and countries as small as Belgium and Holland regularly do far better than England?

Here's a tiny clue. Ever since the early 70s people have been saying that English football needs to get over its obsession with running around a lot at the expense of technique, and try to coach some skill into young players, yet nothing at all has changed.

Are you starting to understand?

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Yes, but running around a lot is more fun to watch. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Burney

Yes, but running around a lot is more fun to watch. :shrug:

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It's lumpen, it's vulgar and it's ugly.

Football is The Greatest Game In The World because it is a mixture of strength, delicacy, power, skill, speed, athleticism, guile, intelligence and courage. All of these qualities go into making a player and making a spectacle.

You might enjoy a diet of Wimbledon against Stoke, but you shouldn't condemn the rest of us to it.

You said the 1970 World Cup was played at a snails pace

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Originally Posted by Sir C

It's lumpen, it's vulgar and it's ugly.

Football is The Greatest Game In The World because it is a mixture of strength, delicacy, power, skill, speed, athleticism, guile, intelligence and courage. All of these qualities go into making a player and making a spectacle.

You might enjoy a diet of Wimbledon against Stoke, but you shouldn't condemn the rest of us to it.

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And yet the English game is the most watched and most highly valued of all the domestic leagues in the world. :shrug:

That doesn't make your assessment wrong, of course, but it is another reason why it hasn't become more refined. It's in nobody's financial interest that it should.

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It's lumpen, it's vulgar and it's ugly.

Football is The Greatest Game In The World because it is a mixture of strength, delicacy, power, skill, speed, athleticism, guile, intelligence and courage. All of these qualities go into making a player and making a spectacle.

You might enjoy a diet of Wimbledon against Stoke, but you shouldn't condemn the rest of us to it.

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It's definitely the running about bit I enjoy most here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UPlEzT1bU

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Originally Posted by Burney

And yet the English game is the most watched and most highly valued of all the domestic leagues in the world. :shrug:

That doesn't make your assessment wrong, of course, but it is another reason why it hasn't become more refined. It's in nobody's financial interest that it should.

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It wouldnt be the most watched if it was full of english players. People dont get up in the middle of the night to watch Eric Dier.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

It's definitely the running about bit I enjoy most here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UPlEzT1bU

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Of course 7sisters would have been there screaming for him to get stuck in and make a tackle...

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Originally Posted by Burney

And yet the English game is the most watched and most highly valued of all the domestic leagues in the world. :shrug:

That doesn't make your assessment wrong, of course, but it is another reason why it hasn't become more refined. It's in nobody's financial interest that it should.

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I was making a similar point yesterday about why authorities don't do anything about refs getting harassed - it is of course terrible and wrong but people actually like to watch it. Let's face it the England Colombia game without all the dissent, pushing, and general bad behaviour was probably very dull but people thought it was a good game because of all that "drama"

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Originally Posted by Burney

And yet the English game is the most watched and most highly valued of all the domestic leagues in the world. :shrug:

That doesn't make your assessment wrong, of course, but it is another reason why it hasn't become more refined. It's in nobody's financial interest that it should.

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Indeed. English football is like a Jeffrey Archer novel. :shrug: It's a great thing for stupid people but makes the rest of us a little nauseous.

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You said the 1970 World Cup was played at a snails pace

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It was. It was hot and high and players then weren't the fittest.

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It wouldnt be the most watched if it was full of english players. People dont get up in the middle of the night to watch Eric Dier.

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No, but that's the joy of it, you see. Lots of English chaps running around, clattering into each other and you get the foreigns in to do the fancy bits.

Made for a marvellous spectacle of touch, technique and application :-)

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

It's definitely the running about bit I enjoy most here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UPlEzT1bU

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Seriously, how ****ing good was Vieira..... mostly running about but even so

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Seriously, how ****ing good was Vieira..... mostly running about but even so

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Great touch for a big man

You make him sound like Peter Crouch

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Seriously, how ****ing good was Vieira..... mostly running about but even so

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I didn't realise how much I'd come to take his excellence for granted until he was gone and I remembered that most players couldn't do that stuff.

No... I appreciate the creative side of his game. I just refuse to buckle to the perceived wisdom that the negatives are mitigated by the positives. It’s a fairly widely held view that he drifts out of certain games once his chin hits the floor.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Here's a tiny clue. Ever since the early 70s people have been saying that English football needs to get over its obsession with running around a lot at the expense of technique, and try to coach some skill into young players, yet nothing at all has changed.

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I think it has changed a bit. England now have a system intended to produce more technical players from an early age which has produced success at youth levels. And simultaneously, the senior side reaches a semi-final for the first time in a generation. :shrug:

Marginal gains, at least.

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Originally Posted by Ash

I think it has changed a bit. England now have a system intended to produce more technical players from an early age which has produced success at youth levels. And simultaneously, the senior side reaches a semi-final for the first time in a generation. :shrug:

Marginal gains, at least.

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Ash, they beat Panama, Tunisia and Colombia. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Ash, they beat Panama, Tunisia and Colombia. :shrug:

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And Sweden. One of whom they would have lost to in previous years.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Ash, they beat Panama, Tunisia and Colombia. :shrug:

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...and then we’re beaten pretty easily by the first decent technical team they faced. A team that then went on to be crushed by France.

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Originally Posted by Ash

And Sweden. One of whom they would have lost to in previous years.

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Fair enough. The game is still dominated by the demands from the media, punditry and majority of supporters for brawn over guile, though.

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Originally Posted by Burney

...and then we’re beaten pretty easily by the first decent technical team they faced. A team that then went on to be crushed by France.

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when they reinvent themselves successfully, following a spell in the doldrums.
Spain, Holland, Italy and Germany will likely all mount a far more serious challenge during the next tournament.


Who can forget the fiasco of the French in 2010 and yet scroll forward eight years ? and all the while England huff and puff with the same predictable outcome.