Ladies and gentlemen. If you were looking for a way to fight back

against the tide of Marxist, politically correct nonsense which threatens to overwhelm us, I urge you to take this opportunity to denote a few pounds per month to support our very last hope, dear Dr. Peterson.

https://www.patreon.com/jordanbpeterson

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against the tide of Marxist, politically correct nonsense which threatens to overwhelm us, I urge you to take this opportunity to denote a few pounds per month to support our very last hope, dear Dr. Peterson.

https://www.patreon.com/jordanbpeterson

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Did Marx spend a great deal of time on non-gender specific pronouns?

I mean, I have read most of it and dont recall much mention of these issues.

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Did Marx spend a great deal of time on non-gender specific pronouns?

I mean, I have read most of it and dont recall much mention of these issues.

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The truly amazing thing about leftists is the absolute brass neck with which you will happily sit and defend genocide.

wd p.

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against the tide of Marxist, politically correct nonsense which threatens to overwhelm us, I urge you to take this opportunity to denote a few pounds per month to support our very last hope, dear Dr. Peterson.

https://www.patreon.com/jordanbpeterson

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They're losing this one and they're starting to get quite cross about it. People are starting to say things like 'Yeah, but you're not a woman, are you? Not really?' and it's driving them (even more) mental.

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Did Marx spend a great deal of time on non-gender specific pronouns?

I mean, I have read most of it and dont recall much mention of these issues.

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It's absolutely part of the same thing, p. When the left lost the political battle in the late 70s/early 80s, it turned its attention to the cultural sphere, where it has absolutely triumphed.

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They're losing this one and they're starting to get quite cross about it. People are starting to say things like 'Yeah, but you're not a woman, are you? Not really?' and it's driving them (even more) mental.

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Oh yes, but Dr P isn't going to stop when he's finished with the transers, Dr P's going to give it to all the leftists, b. :cloud9:

I'd like to go to university and study whatever it is he teaches. I like his voice.

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It's absolutely part of the same thing, p. When the left lost the political battle in the late 70s/early 80s, it turned its attention to the cultural sphere, where it has absolutely triumphed.

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Its really not part of the same thing though is it, at all? Seems a bit unfair to blame it all on Marx.

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Its really not part of the same thing though is it, at all? Seems a bit unfair to blame it all on Marx.

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Oh, I'm not saying old Karl believed in trannies, loved minorities or believed in safe spaces - absolutely not.

However, his latter-day adherents have certainly transferred the well-established socialist techniques of controlling speech, thought and action to achieve political and social control to the cultural and academic spheres.

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Oh, I'm not saying old Karl believed in trannies, loved minorities or believed in safe spaces - absolutely not.

However, his latter-day adherents have certainly transferred the well-established socialist techniques of controlling speech, thought and action to achieve political and social control to the cultural and academic spheres.

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I think MArx was more concerned with who controls the means of production, distribution and exchange than speed, thought and banditry in its many forms.

I had to listen to some **** here going on and on about how coverage of the two world wars never mentions gay soldiers. He was hugely offended when I pointed out that it didnt mention straight ones either, or indeed anything regarding sexual orientation.

When I said I found it offensive that coverage of the Battle of Trafalgar never took account of those in the ranks with learning difficulties I thought he was going to punch me.

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against the tide of Marxist, politically correct nonsense which threatens to overwhelm us, I urge you to take this opportunity to denote a few pounds per month to support our very last hope, dear Dr. Peterson.

https://www.patreon.com/jordanbpeterson

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I see the Frenchies are trying to make wolf-whistling illegal.How else is one suppose to grab the attention of a hot chick.World gone mad I tells you.

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I think MArx was more concerned with who controls the means of production, distribution and exchange than speed, thought and banditry in its many forms.

I had to listen to some **** here going on and on about how coverage of the two world wars never mentions gay soldiers. He was hugely offended when I pointed out that it didnt mention straight ones either, or indeed anything regarding sexual orientation.

When I said I found it offensive that coverage of the Battle of Trafalgar never took account of those in the ranks with learning difficulties I thought he was going to punch me.

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They still seem to be upset that the film Dunkirk hardly showed any non-white people and simply aren't accepting the 'But that was the historical reality' thing as an excuse.

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I see the Frenchies are trying to make wolf-whistling illegal.How else is one suppose to grab the attention of a hot chick.World gone mad I tells you.

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Well you are not allowed to grab them now, so that is out. Whistling is out.

Are they actually expecting us to talk to them??? I put up with many things but I am NOT going to have a conversation with a bloody woman. I draw the line at that.

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They still seem to be upset that the film Dunkirk hardly showed any non-white people and simply aren't accepting the 'But that was the historical reality' thing as an excuse.

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That Howards End programme is rather good, despite it being Forster... but I am confused that about 50% of the population of Edwardian London was black :shrug:

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They still seem to be upset that the film Dunkirk hardly showed any non-white people and simply aren't accepting the 'But that was the historical reality' thing as an excuse.

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My nephew was covering Trafalgar at school a few years ago. He learned a lot about conditions on Nelson's ships, about rations, and the role of women in the navy.

THe only bits they left out was a)who won the battle and b) what the battle was about and who it was with.

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My nephew was covering Trafalgar at school a few years ago. He learned a lot about conditions on Nelson's ships, about rations, and the role of women in the navy.

THe only bits they left out was a)who won the battle and b) what the battle was about and who it was with.

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It was some years ago that a teacher wrote a ltter to The Times reporting taking her junior school class to central London for a day trip. In Trafalgar Square she asked is anyone knew Nelson's other name and was barraged with cries of, 'Mandela'. :hehe:

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I think MArx was more concerned with who controls the means of production, distribution and exchange than speed, thought and banditry in its many forms.

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Of course he was.

What rightists are calling 'Cultural Marxism' has got completely fùck-all to do with Marxism. From now on I will be calling it Fake Leftism, as it is turning leftism on its head.

Marxism analyses social relations in terms of class, and concludes that there is a tiny ruling class who control practically all the money and power for their own ends, and then there is everyone else, who really shouldn't be putting up with this arrangement.

The ruling class therefore has to split up everyone else into sub-classes and competing groups to keep everyone squabbling amongst themselves. Hence identity politics (the Fake Left) is just the ticket, as it pitches women v men, black vs white, muslim v christian, transers v filthy normies and so on, and stops us recognising our true class interests (ruling class v the rest).

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Of course he was.

What rightists are calling 'Cultural Marxism' has got completely fùck-all to do with Marxism. From now on I will be calling it Fake Leftism, as it is turning leftism on its head.

Marxism analyses social relations in terms of class, and concludes that there is a tiny ruling class who control practically all the money and power for their own ends, and then there is everyone else, who really shouldn't be putting up with this arrangement.

The ruling class therefore has to split up everyone else into sub-classes and competing groups to keep everyone squabbling amongst themselves. Hence identity politics (the Fake Left) is just the ticket, as it pitches women v men, black vs white, muslim v christian, transers v filthy normies and so on, and stops us recognising our true class interests (ruling class v the rest).

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Right, but in his day there was a tiny ruling clas that hoarded all the wealth whereas these days...... oh, ****! :)

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Of course he was.

What rightists are calling 'Cultural Marxism' has got completely fùck-all to do with Marxism. From now on I will be calling it Fake Leftism, as it is turning leftism on its head.

Marxism analyses social relations in terms of class, and concludes that there is a tiny ruling class who control practically all the money and power for their own ends, and then there is everyone else, who really shouldn't be putting up with this arrangement.

The ruling class therefore has to split up everyone else into sub-classes and competing groups to keep everyone squabbling amongst themselves. Hence identity politics (the Fake Left) is just the ticket, as it pitches women v men, black vs white, muslim v christian, transers v filthy normies and so on, and stops us recognising our true class interests (ruling class v the rest).

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Dr Jordan Peterson says that identity politics is just the post-modern reiteration of Marxism, a.

Now I have no idea what any of that means, but Dr Jordan Peterson knows this shÃ*t and he's a professor and everything, so I m afraid you are wrong in this instance.

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Of course he was.

What rightists are calling 'Cultural Marxism' has got completely fùck-all to do with Marxism. From now on I will be calling it Fake Leftism, as it is turning leftism on its head.

Marxism analyses social relations in terms of class, and concludes that there is a tiny ruling class who control practically all the money and power for their own ends, and then there is everyone else, who really shouldn't be putting up with this arrangement.

The ruling class therefore has to split up everyone else into sub-classes and competing groups to keep everyone squabbling amongst themselves. Hence identity politics (the Fake Left) is just the ticket, as it pitches women v men, black vs white, muslim v christian, transers v filthy normies and so on, and stops us recognising our true class interests (ruling class v the rest).

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and that's before I start on how the Fake Left whores itself in the interests of globalism, corporate capitalism and unelected elites...

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Of course he was.

What rightists are calling 'Cultural Marxism' has got completely fùck-all to do with Marxism. From now on I will be calling it Fake Leftism, as it is turning leftism on its head.

Marxism analyses social relations in terms of class, and concludes that there is a tiny ruling class who control practically all the money and power for their own ends, and then there is everyone else, who really shouldn't be putting up with this arrangement.

The ruling class therefore has to split up everyone else into sub-classes and competing groups to keep everyone squabbling amongst themselves. Hence identity politics (the Fake Left) is just the ticket, as it pitches women v men, black vs white, muslim v christian, transers v filthy normies and so on, and stops us recognising our true class interests (ruling class v the rest).

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The 'ruling class' (whatever the fück that means these days) didn't do the splitting up, a. Human nature did that and the left have spent the last 40 years reinforcing and formalising those differences through identity politics.

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Dr Jordan Peterson says that identity politics is just the post-modern reiteration of Marxism, a.

Now I have no idea what any of that means, but Dr Jordan Peterson knows this shÃ*t and he's a professor and everything, so I m afraid you are wrong in this instance.

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I suspect he means it in the sense that Marxism was about the struggle of the economically downtrodden and dispossessed and cultural Marxism has extrapolated from that to include downtrodden and dispossessed bumders, chicks and darkies. :shrug:

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Dr Jordan Peterson says that identity politics is just the post-modern reiteration of Marxism, a.

Now I have no idea what any of that means, but Dr Jordan Peterson knows this shÃ*t and he's a professor and everything, so I m afraid you are wrong in this instance.

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If he's a professor, why does he call himself Dr?

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Dr Jordan Peterson says that identity politics is just the post-modern reiteration of Marxism, a.

Now I have no idea what any of that means, but Dr Jordan Peterson knows this shÃ*t and he's a professor and everything, so I m afraid you are wrong in this instance.

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Yeah, right. Doctor. You've obviously had a road-to-Damascus conversion to the merits of the academic world, Sir C. :-D

One more time. Loudly.

IDENTITY POLITICS HAS EFF ALL TO DO WITH MARXISM.

And the right is doing itself no favours by refusing to understand class dialectics.

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If he's a professor, why does he call himself Dr?

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He's Canadian :shrug:

I don't know if he's a professor, do I? Anyway, why couldn't a professor be a doctor? Professor is a job title, not a rank.

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I suspect he means it in the sense that Marxism was about the struggle of the economically downtrodden and dispossessed and cultural Marxism has extrapolated from that to include downtrodden and dispossessed bumders, chicks and darkies. :shrug:

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Nope.

That isn't the starting point. The downtroddenness and dispossesedness was just a by-product of the social relations, and not the focus. The failure of the left was to think it was about compassion, rather than building an alternative and better system, however difficult and unrealistic that might have been.

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Yeah, right. Doctor. You've obviously had a road-to-Damascus conversion to the merits of the academic world, Sir C. :-D

One more time. Loudly.

IDENTITY POLITICS HAS EFF ALL TO DO WITH MARXISM.

And the right is doing itself no favours by refusing to understand class dialectics.

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There is no such thing as class any more; you're 40 years out of date. We've had a grocer's daugfhter as prime minister and northern factory workers own houses, cars and smartphones.

The Conservative government of 1979 to the mid 1980s liberated us all from the confines of class.

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He's Canadian :shrug:

I don't know if he's a professor, do I? Anyway, why couldn't a professor be a doctor? Professor is a job title, not a rank.

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Professor means he has a chair. It's a rare professor who only calls himself Doctor.

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There is no such thing as class any more; you're 40 years out of date. We've had a grocer's daugfhter as prime minister and northern factory workers own houses, cars and smartphones.

The Conservative government of 1979 to the mid 1980s liberated us all from the confines of class.

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:nod: This is why the left had to shift its tactics to the non-political sphere. Mrs T turned socialism into a dirty word and made ideas like class struggle seem woefully old-fashioned. You can't claim to be acting on behalf of a social group who repeatedly express their unwillingness for you to do so democratically, so the left moved onto minorities instead.

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Dr Jordan Peterson says that identity politics is just the post-modern reiteration of Marxism, a.

Now I have no idea what any of that means, but Dr Jordan Peterson knows this shÃ*t and he's a professor and everything, so I m afraid you are wrong in this instance.

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Professor in the USA simply means employed. In the UK it actually means something- it requires a research profile, a series of publications, a demonstrable body of knowledge, insight and expertise.

Every **** with a piece of chalk is a Professor in the US.

In short, that bloke knows **** all. I bet he got sacked from a university for nobbing the undergrads.

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Professor means he has a chair. It's a rare professor who only calls himself Doctor.

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Well since you clearly know best, you ought to advise Dr Jordan Peterson that he is doing it wrong EXCEPT HE'S GOT A BRAIN THE SIZE OF A FÚCKING PLANET AND PROBABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE SUBJECT THAN AN IRISH SCRIBBLER FOR FÚCK'S SAKE.

"Jordan Bernt Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist, cultural critic, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto."

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Professor means he has a chair. It's a rare professor who only calls himself Doctor.

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Only in the UK. And these days all it really means here is that you dont do any teachings. There is no actual chair.

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Well since you clearly know best, you ought to advise Dr Jordan Peterson that he is doing it wrong EXCEPT HE'S GOT A BRAIN THE SIZE OF A FÚCKING PLANET AND PROBABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE SUBJECT THAN AN IRISH SCRIBBLER FOR FÚCK'S SAKE.

"Jordan Bernt Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist, cultural critic, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto."

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Wooaaahh! Hang on. Cultural critic?? His qualifications are as a psychologist ie a ****. Keep the cultural criticism for your amazon reviews you ****.

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Professor in the USA simply means employed. In the UK it actually means something- it requires a research profile, a series of publications, a demonstrable body of knowledge, insight and expertise.

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Yes. And a chair.

Is it a special chair, do you know? Not like Professor Stephen Hawking's special chair, but all fancy and gold like a throne?

Whenever I hear someone is the holds the Cyril Regis Chair of Chemistry or whatever, I like to imagine a right fancy sort of a chair.

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There is no such thing as class any more; you're 40 years out of date. We've had a grocer's daugfhter as prime minister and northern factory workers own houses, cars and smartphones.

The Conservative government of 1979 to the mid 1980s liberated us all from the confines of class.

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No, your ideas of class are out of date.

Class isn't about wearing a flat cap, working in a factory and speaking in a regional accent. Class, in pure Marxist terms, is where you stand in relation to the ownership of the means of production, and most people own fùck all of it, and have no power in society. Class isn't out-of-date, but the old stereotyped ideas of what it is are out of date.

If I thought anyone actually READ my posts, rather than triggering off some keyword and then talking about something entirely tangential while ignoring my points, I would elaborate.

Ain't worf it, though. :sulk:

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Professor in the USA simply means employed. In the UK it actually means something- it requires a research profile, a series of publications, a demonstrable body of knowledge, insight and expertise.

Every **** with a piece of chalk is a Professor in the US.

In short, that bloke knows **** all. I bet he got sacked from a university for nobbing the undergrads.

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He knows everything, p. He's a genius. You should hear some of the words he uses!

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:nod: This is why the left had to shift its tactics to the non-political sphere. Mrs T turned socialism into a dirty word and made ideas like class struggle seem woefully old-fashioned. You can't claim to be acting on behalf of a social group who repeatedly express their unwillingness for you to do so democratically, so the left moved onto minorities instead.

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Apart from the fact that were hardly any northern factory workers left by the time she had finished, she did not destroy class, merely the mechanism through which it expressed itself ie the unions.

She destroyed a centrist consensus and thus unleashed socialism onto british politics.

"You should hear some of the words he uses!"

Long ones are they ?
Multiple syllables ?

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Did Marx spend a great deal of time on non-gender specific pronouns?

I mean, I have read most of it and dont recall much mention of these issues.

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I had a look at the big book in my house but none of it made a lot of sense.

Mainly as the Italian version.

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No, your ideas of class are out of date.

Class isn't about wearing a flat cap, working in a factory and speaking in a regional accent. Class, in pure Marxist terms, is where you stand in relation to the ownership of the means of production, and most people own fùck all of it, and have no power in society. Class isn't out-of-date, but the old stereotyped ideas of what it is are out of date.

If I thought anyone actually READ my posts, rather than triggering off some keyword and then talking about something entirely tangential while ignoring my points, I would elaborate.

Ain't worf it, though. :sulk:

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Anyone working for someone else who is frstrated that they don't own these 'means of production' is at liberty to go and work for themselves, aren't they? A self-employed window cleaner owns his means of production, doesn't he?

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No, your ideas of class are out of date.

Class isn't about wearing a flat cap, working in a factory and speaking in a regional accent. Class, in pure Marxist terms, is where you stand in relation to the ownership of the means of production, and most people own fùck all of it, and have no power in society. Class isn't out-of-date, but the old stereotyped ideas of what it is are out of date.

If I thought anyone actually READ my posts, rather than triggering off some keyword and then talking about something entirely tangential while ignoring my points, I would elaborate.

Ain't worf it, though. :sulk:

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The concept of class is only meaningful if people feel its gradations applies to them, though. People don't feel like that anymore. Tell a family with a four-bedroom house, two new cars, foreign holidays and nice, white-collar jobs which provide a comfortable standard of living that they are in fact the new proletariat because they don't own the means of production and they will - not unreasonably - tell you to fück off.

In short, the concept of 'class' as understood by Marx is hopelessly out of date.