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Exciting times, b!Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige
In fairness, I fall for all this **** every single Summer, even though I know fully and well that it makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige
You can always rely on John Cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige
Butland and Mbappe would be very good calls imo.
Not that I will care, of course. :-\
from what I can tell on thon graphy thing is... it's all Santi's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
One can imagine there would be healthy and widespread interest in the latter so I think you are intelligent enough to understand what I am suggesting here.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
The ultimate Wenger fanboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
You could give Wenger a billion to spend and we would still be ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige
Whilst I appreciate you are being glib here, Pat, there is clearly an element of truth in your message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
No matter how much we spend nor who be buy this summer, when the first match starts and I see Aaron Ramsey in the team, no decent defensive midfielder and we look a shambles at the back, we'll all know how the season will end up.
At that point I expect I will start losing interest, again.
This is a load of old *******s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/...-should-leave/
Walcott? to stay? Madness I tells yer.
I mean it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
We've been several squads since the invincible squad.
The same issues reoccur. It's not all down to 'not competing' with Chelsea, City etc. We should have easily won the league last year
and we should be doing a much better job this year and be in a title race. Of course people will always say what about Tottenham? Liverpool, United, City. Not doing great are they? That's not my concern.
We've made big signings now and spent a lot this past summer.
When the going gets tough he fall apart.
Oh, that's all undeniably true. I just thought your *billion* comment was slightly glib.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
I could be convinced, though. If Wenger were to sell, as examples, Ramsey and Walcott this summer I might actually believe he understood what the problem was and that he was willing to address it.
He won't though. I think we all know that.
This is one of Wenger's weaknesses, He should be a bit more ruthless with experiments that do not work.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
It's taken longer than 10 years and counting to see Walcott isn't going to be the superstar we all hoped.
Maybe I am being harsh on Wenger but he needs to be a bit more brave. And we have a lot of people on loans that we should just get rid of. Joel Campbell who I liked but if he doesn't see a place for him get rid.
it's his biggest weakness imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
his accommodation of players who are either under performing or simply 'not good enough' is extraordinary.
I keep telling you, this is the way He wants it. For Him, everything is perfect, except for one or two (or three etc.) football results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
But what about our top 4 trophy? will he make it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
I was thinking we might win a game sooner or later. Though we have no more non league opposition on the fixture list.
I think He might win the European Cup with it, but not the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
Doesn't matter, does it. We don't really need the money and qualifying every season but one out of twenty-odd is an excellent record, isn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
It's why we are where we are and he is where he is. It explains pretty much everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
The difficult part is that it's only a weakness if you don't win the league. There's dozens of players who aren't good enough who've won it, after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
pssst! I hate to break this to you, r, but we didn't. and haven't for ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
So the huge war-chest is basically the money we should be getting from selling our two star players and a few pennies extra.
Until it actually *did* happen, I mean.
We've mostly been extremely supportive of Wenger, haven't we, despite His unusual methods.
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Originally Posted by IUFG
We won't get Mbappe because he'll go to a club that's happy to spend £60m+ on a player. We won't get Butland is De Gea leaves United.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
I think Arsenal supporters have been extremely supportive of the old man and correctly so given the success he brought to the club in his first decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
What has come to pass now is simply an opportunity for a natural parting of the ways, a time when I think most observers, internal to the club in respect of supporters and sympathetic media and external to the club in respect of general media, seem to think the time is right for Wenger to move on – however he himself appears about to dig his heels in and stay.
Supporters are frustrated at what they see as a lack of progress, indeed many will point to what they see as a decline though perhaps a little early to judge that one, an annual failure to address the same problems within the playing side of the club for which he takes 100% of the blame.
I am very much looking forward to the first episode of Arsenal Fan TV after the 2 year extension is announced.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
Well if we win whatever game they record after then the mood will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
Once the deal is signed it is utterly futile to stress over.
One imagines that it has already been signed. I really hope that they announce it and we succumb 0-2 to Stoke at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
I see that, but that "blame" is essentially for the very same methods everybody applauded ten years ago. That is, if you allow Him full credit for the Invincibles. Personally, I have always said that side was the vestigial tail of the George Graham era and little to do with proper "Wengerball, which is represented and evidenced by what we've seen since they all went their separate ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
There's no doubt about it though, He has changed. When He arrived, the question He asked Himself was, Can these players win the title in English football. Whereas now, He asks, Can these players win the title in my team.
Football teams do not progress really, or develop. Either they are right or they are not. Managers just say it to stay in a job as long as possible.
Not too sure about that. I suspect that, by this time, it's about much more than a result or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
Maybe it always was, for some. You mentioned yesterday that you knew those of fellows who have never taken to Wenger. Presumably that means even when He was winning league titles?
You mis-quote me but on this occasion, and because I like you R, I will overlook it and not seek you down and kill you.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
I said yesterday I know of people who vehemently hate Wenger as in the present and recent years, not always. We all loved the man at first and correctly so.
I can assure you they celebrated those distant title successes with much gusto and dancing.
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Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige
preparing for the STL renewal period?
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Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
None of it is really down to financially competing with other teams. At this moment in time (unfortunately, this has been the case for circa 8 years now), it is all down to what we do or do not do on a Saturday afternoon. Once we get that right, the rest might follow. It is as simple as that. Will Wenger change, can Wenger change or will it be the same old, same old?
Some do see the last 10 years as a lack of progress but progress is relative. To be fair, if there has been any real stagnation, it has been in the last three seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
One could argue that the quality of the football has declined. I don't mean the passing and walking the ball into the net nonsense. I mean our ability to play as a unit for 90 minutes on the pitch and do as many of the things that you would expect from a group of £100K a week footballers, week in, week out to get the best results possible. Is that anywhere near the standard it was 13 years ago?
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
“If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.”