European Court rules employers can ban Islamic headscarves at work

Wrong, imo.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Wrong, imo.

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I always like the look when a lady is wearing one. but all glammed up with make up and wearing heels.
I thought it was something to do with modesty.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Wrong, imo.

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You don't think employers should be allowed to enforce a dress code?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

You don't think employers should be allowed to enforce a dress code?

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It's slowly going though.

I used to turn up in a suit. Then this south London mob joined the office now I come in in my trainers.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Wrong, imo.

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Not wrong. Outside work, one may do as one wishes, but in the workplace, the employer gets to set the rules.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Not wrong. Outside work, one may do as one wishes, but in the workplace, the employer gets to set the rules.

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But would they ask a Sikh to remove his turbin?

or ask monty to remove his little hat?

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Originally Posted by Pat Vegas

It's slowly going though.

I used to turn up in a suit. Then this south London mob joined the office now I come in in my trainers.

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I used to enjoy wearing a suit every day. It was like putting on a uniform; it concentrated the mind. Now I dress like a slob, think like a slob and work like a slob. :-(

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Originally Posted by Burney

Not wrong. Outside work, one may do as one wishes, but in the workplace, the employer gets to set the rules.

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Provided that those rules do not violate the basic human rights to which we are all entitled.

An important distinction, I think. And - sadly - I'm with Monty on this one.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I used to enjoy wearing a suit every day. It was like putting on a uniform; it concentrated the mind. Now I dress like a slob, think like a slob and work like a slob. :-(

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:nod: suit gives you confidence. You walk differently. People treat you differently.

I made the error of walking into a guitar shop whilst wearing a suit. They proceeded to put multiple expensive guitars in my hands.
and I don't like playing guitars in shops.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Provided that those rules do not violate the basic human rights to which we are all entitled.

An important distinction, I think. And - sadly - I'm with Monty on this one.

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What are these "basic human rights to which we are all entitled" which you have just invented in your brain cell?

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Originally Posted by Burney

Not wrong. Outside work, one may do as one wishes, but in the workplace, the employer gets to set the rules.

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disagree on this occasion

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Originally Posted by Monty92

disagree on this occasion

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Is that it?

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Originally Posted by Pat Vegas

But would they ask a Sikh to remove his turbin?

or ask monty to remove his little hat?

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Well that's the key, y'see? If you do it for the Allans, you have to do it for all, otherwise it's discriminatory. Which, of course, is why it won't amount to anything.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Provided that those rules do not violate the basic human rights to which we are all entitled.

An important distinction, I think. And - sadly - I'm with Monty on this one.

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There's no human rights that mean you're allowed to dress as you please on someone else's dollar, I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Pat Vegas

Is that it?

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IM ON the phone to a client :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Monty92

IM ON the phone to a client :hehe:

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Ask him what he thinks about it.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

IM ON the phone to a client :hehe:

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:hehe: that reminds me I should do some work.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Provided that those rules do not violate the basic human rights to which we are all entitled.

An important distinction, I think. And - sadly - I'm with Monty on this one.

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What human rights? The right to wear what you want or the employers right to set what you wear??

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Wrong, imo.

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A policy can now legally ban ALL political, philosophical or religious signs, m.

including your yarmulke

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Originally Posted by IUFG

A policy can now legally ban ALL political, philosophical or religious signs, m.

including your yarmulke

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But it presumably cannot allow some and ban others?

early days of the ruling I suppose, but the legal interpretation of these things is usually binary, b.

Ban the lot and you're safe.

I can't see how banning a headscarf but allowing, say, a crucifix to be visibly worn would not be discriminatory.

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Originally Posted by IUFG

early days of the ruling I suppose, but the legal interpretation of these things is usually binary, b.

Ban the lot and you're safe.

I can't see how banning a headscarf but allowing, say, a crucifix to be visibly worn would not be discriminatory.

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Nor me. Which is why no sane employer is going to risk imposing any such rule. Just asking to get yourself sued

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Originally Posted by Burney

Nor me. Which is why no sane employer is going to risk imposing any such rule. Just asking to get yourself sued

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But this ruling was triggered by an employer doing just that.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I used to enjoy wearing a suit every day. It was like putting on a uniform; it concentrated the mind. Now I dress like a slob, think like a slob and work like a slob. :-(

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Jeans, t-shirt, trainers - that's how I roll professionally.

Desert boots if a big client is coming in, to impress him/her.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

Jeans, t-shirt, trainers - that's how I roll professionally.

Desert boots if a big client is coming in, to impress him/her.

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Surely you jest? Jeans? In a work environment? Trainers?

Are you a hod-carrier?

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Originally Posted by Monty92

IM ON the phone to a client :hehe:

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Do you charge by the hour or per deposit?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Surely you jest? Jeans? In a work environment? Trainers?

Are you a hod-carrier?

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My attire does not in any way affect my ability to do my job. I wore suits for about a decade from 1994-2004, can’t be doing with them.

Oddly enough when we were doing some marketing PR or whatever my boss asked me to shirt up for the day but next day it was back to casual suaveness.


You need to get with the time Grandad. I expect you even wear a tie.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

My attire does not in any way affect my ability to do my job. I wore suits for about a decade from 1994-2004, can’t be doing with them.

Oddly enough when we were doing some marketing PR or whatever my boss asked me to shirt up for the day but next day it was back to casual suaveness.


You need to get with the time Grandad. I expect you even wear a tie.

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One understands (and regrets) that there has been a relaxation of the customs governing men's attire in the office, but surely a smart pair of trousers, a sports jacket and a shirt don't represent too much of a challenge for even the most morally and physically indigent types such as yourself?

On a dress down day I sometimes ditch the tie in favour of a simple cravat.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

My attire does not in any way affect my ability to do my job. I wore suits for about a decade from 1994-2004, can’t be doing with them.

Oddly enough when we were doing some marketing PR or whatever my boss asked me to shirt up for the day but next day it was back to casual suaveness.


You need to get with the time Grandad. I expect you even wear a tie.

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:nono: he only wears a tie when he is in court charged with winding the clock back

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Originally Posted by Pokster

:nono: he only wears a tie when he is in court charged with winding the clock back

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Can he wind the clock back any further - he still seems to think it's 1908 ... oh, I see

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Originally Posted by Monty92

But this ruling was triggered by an employer doing just that.

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Yes. And they got sued.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Yes. And they got sued.

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This is a fair point

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Originally Posted by Sir C

What are these "basic human rights to which we are all entitled" which you have just invented in your brain cell?

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Oh there's a few of them about. The right to be free from discrimination due to race, religion etc. to name but one.

Perhaps if you were educated and spent less time selling used cars you'd have learnt about them.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Oh there's a few of them about. The right to be free from discrimination due to race, religion etc. to name but one.

Perhaps if you were educated and spent less time selling used cars you'd have learnt about them.

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Well done Brains! The whole 'used car' gag!

You must be the funniest **** alive.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

This is a fair point

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And won.xxxxx

I was filling out the 10, not blowing kisses. Probably.

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Originally Posted by AFC East

I was filling out the 10, not blowing kisses. Probably.

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Too late xxxxxx

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Well done Brains! The whole 'used car' gag!

You must be the funniest **** alive.

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It wasn't nearly as funny as the 'your brain cell' gag. Now stop being a pompous old stoat* and calm down.

*@ Herbert Chapman

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Originally Posted by IUFG

A policy can now legally ban ALL political, philosophical or religious signs, m.

including your yarmulke

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No more "I'm with stupid!" t-shirts? :-(