on comment pages and social media this morning at the outlandish suggestion that the Prime Minister is going to announce that we're actually going to do what people voted for in June.
Odd lot, people, aren't they? :shrug:
on comment pages and social media this morning at the outlandish suggestion that the Prime Minister is going to announce that we're actually going to do what people voted for in June.
Odd lot, people, aren't they? :shrug:
There's something else very odd about this. The government has clearly briefed the press that this is the statement of strategy for the forthcoming negotiations, the results of which negotiations are likely to have a serious impact upon the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Should the prime minister not be issuing such a statement to, you know, the House of Commons, which is, like, where our parliamentary democracy happens? Choosing to make the statement in a speech is bad enough, but then leaking the fúcking thing to the press 48 hours before the event if fúcking repulsive.
I am distressed.
Where do you stand on the suggestion that a second referendum on the terms agreed in the event of a Brexit vote should have been incorporated by Cameron?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Nah. All policy and negotiating positions are first unveiled in speeches these days rather than the HoC. The press leak is pretty standard practice to get the markets' bedwetting out of the way and let them settle down before the actual speech is given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Currently reading 'All Out War' by Tim Shipman about the Brexit campaign. Pretty much every important policy item in the run-up to that was given at an external speech. Cameron announced the fact he was going to hold a referendum at a speech to Bloomberg, ffs!
It makes no sense at all. We voted on the relatively simple issue of how we are governed and by whom. A vote on the details of our exit would be absurd as it would render all negotiations meaningless. Besides which, it would be hijacked by Remain as a means of indefinitely delaying our exit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
It happening as a matter of course these days does not make it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I am not happy with the cabinet, b. Not happy at all. Cameron and Osborne were distressingly limp, but at least they appeared statesmanlike. This lot are a bunch of chancers and wide boys and May is quite clearly way out of her depth.
At the next election I shall vite Lib Dem, or perhaps Green.
You will vote for traitors and communists because a tory government isn't composed exactly as you'd like? That seems an odd way to go about things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Don't be silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Terms are decided upon by party 1 and then discussed at length and compromise reached on some issues, some dropped altogether, others won.
The idea of allowing the people to decide the finite terms of agreement is imbecilic even by your extremely high standards.
In summary you were stupid enough to allow this vote/referendum to go to the people but it has and now you have to roll with the decision. Those who do not like it and who are questioning it are simply the adult equivalent of a toddler having a tantrum because they did not get their way.
I think most of them are upset because they won't be able to freely gallivant around europe on their British passports any longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
It's my protest. I'd go with UKIP but they're so incredibly vulgar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I do wonder whether in some ways it would have been better if we'd triggered Article 50 straight away. The intervening six months have provided Remain voters with the comfort blanket of denial that it either wouldn't happen, would be delayed indefinitely or would be so watered down as to be virtually meaningless. The reality is only sinking in now and the Remain voters are having a shït fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
It's a shame the Monster Raving Loony Party aren't around for that sort of protest vote, really. Only I know that you'd never really be able to look at yourself in the mirror again if you knew you'd voted for a Green or - worse - that snivelling cünt Farron,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Check this shÃ*t out, not sure it would be reported in your so called Great Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...case-1.2935102
Jolyon. Who the fúck calls their son Jolyon, basically sentencing them to a good kicking for most of their teenage years.
Isn't that partly the fault of DC who said he would invoke it stariaght away if they lost (not expecting to lose), then resigned because they lost..... imho he was a bloody cowardQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Thing is, I remember travelling around Europe before freedom of movement for persons was magically enshrined as a core principle of the EU. It was fine. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige
Yes, we all know about this. Jolyon Maugham is an appalling **** desperate to do anything to stop Brexit. The idea that we would ever reverse Article 50 because the ECJ says so is laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
Probably why Billy's comment wasn't really accurate to be fairQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
How does one pronounce his name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Jolly-on.
Jo-Lion.
Or the more pithy and direct "oi *****".
A coward, possibly. A little limp, definitely. But he was a gentleman, p.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
Look at what we've been left with :-(
He was just trying to do whatever it took to try and frighten the public into compliance. It was clear to everyone that he couldn't remain as PM if he lost the vote since he wouldn't have had the confidence of his party or the country to do so. Given that, there's no way he could have triggered A50 and then left, since that would have been monstrous. Nothing to do with cowardice, just a gamble that he lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
Well my spellchecker keeps correcting it to 'Jolson', so I'll stick with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
I believe he's some sort of colonial. Possibly a New Zealander. Why we let such people practice law in this country, I've no idea. Burden of empire, I suppose.
I expect that's because social media and comments pages are frequented by people who like to be outraged. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. Prior to the internet they went down the pub and did so until someone told them to shut up and get their round in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Sadly, there is no such control on the internet.
you guys don't have a democracy. you're a fvcking monarchy, dumbasses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
It's amazing to me that you people could have walked open-eyed into tis fvckup. At least we're gonna go supernova with Trump, whereas you guys are going to go out with all the drama of a wet fart. Great Britain no more. Just England Wales and a few islands in the Caribbean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
And you believe the two to be mutually exclusive why, exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
You'll forgive me if I voice my suspicion that you may not have too good a handle on the complexities of this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
There is no need for rudeness.Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
Honestly. Americans are so very indecorous.
Push comes to shove, you can just suspend the democratic norms and revert to your monarch. You don't have your last quid on a functioning democratic system. It's a "late innovation," to borrow from Hamlet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
We'll be fine. Mrs May has just said so :cloud9:Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
You and your complexities. Sound like a vitamin!Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
:hehe: My word, how they're wailing now. :hehe: Some of them seem to be actually mentally ill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I'm rather pleased with this new formation 'butthurt'. It is quite wonderfully descriptive.
Joe Leon.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
British F1 driver Jolyon Palmer can thank his father Jonathon, himself a former F1 driver and now owner of various racing circuits including Brands Hatch. Whether Cranleigh independent school in Surrey is a bastion of nomenclature-based bullying I cannot say.
I'm finding that it's fun being perfectly pleasant and reasonable with them while they froth and rant at me. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Right. Like Lincoln did during the Civil War, you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
My word, imagine what will happen if Wilders wins. There might be mass luvvy suicides!Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
A man with hair like that can't be all bad, that's what I say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Talking of hair, did you see this fellow? He wants to bring down the government, apparently. :hehe:
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Oh yes, good old Tosh. It's remarkable to consider that many outwardly sentient, sane individuals have voted for this man to represent their interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...3/ql0pcYku.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Whoah whoah whoah. Don't be steppin up to Lincoln my fine friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Just saying that the suspension of constitutional rights (such as habeas corpus) and the reversion to executive authority are hardly unknown in US history. We haven't reverted to our monarch when we've done it, though (i.e. in the two world wars), we've relied on elected officials acting in a cross-party capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
You have to remember that our monarch is purely a figurehead from a political point of view. Her power is purely theoretical.