So with Rambo playing we scored 8 goals in abou 100 mins. Everyone says he's shíte..

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12-07-2016, 12:07 AM
Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

So with Rambo playing we scored 8 goals in abou 100 mins. Everyone says he's shíte..

Also, Perez looks like he could make a very tidy wide forward in our new system. I'd seriously add him to the Feo, Ox and Iwobi options for the wingers. Welbz will be back sometime soon, too. After he scored his CL hat-trick, things went downhill a bit. Let's hope the same doesn't happen to Lucas.

I do feel sorry for Gibbs. Nacho is just that tiny bit safer defensively but if he was playing week in, week out, he'd be England's 1st choice at LB. Hope he stays with us and fights for his place in the team. But he was amazing tonight.

Got an Ozil assist, too. Just a pity that Alexis's great free kick struck the bar and there was no-one to do an Andy Caroll follow up.

Hope young Holding learns from his mistake and Stevie Bould tells him that there are time when you should just hoof it clear.

But what were people's thoughts on Rambo and Xhaka? (I'll admit that I miss Santi cos he's still my fave player just cos of his two foot trick, though obv Alexis and Ozil are better players, I suppose.)

Could it work? If only Rambo could get back to scoring like he did in that half a season when he looked about the best CM in the league.

As I say, everyone says he's shît but in 33 mins on Sunday and 70 mins tonight we scored 8 goals. He can't be that bad.

I just feel for Olly. I think there will be many times when he'll need to come on and he'll win us many games from the bench. But we now play with 3 fast, mobile forwards who can switch from wing to centre and back with Ozil playing further forward, more like a Bergy than a Cesc. I can't see Olly getting back into the starting XI.

And if Lucas keeps this up, I'd see him starting if Alexis was being rested or, God forbid, injured.

With Alexis and Ozil and two of the wide men, we have the most exciting front 4 in years.

COYG.
12-07-2016, 01:03 AM
eastgermanautos

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

Also, Perez looks like he could make a very tidy wide forward in our new system. I'd seriously add him to the Feo, Ox and Iwobi options for the wingers. Welbz will be back sometime soon, too. After he scored his CL hat-trick, things went downhill a bit. Let's hope the same doesn't happen to Lucas.

I do feel sorry for Gibbs. Nacho is just that tiny bit safer defensively but if he was playing week in, week out, he'd be England's 1st choice at LB. Hope he stays with us and fights for his place in the team. But he was amazing tonight.

Got an Ozil assist, too. Just a pity that Alexis's great free kick struck the bar and there was no-one to do an Andy Caroll follow up.

Hope young Holding learns from his mistake and Stevie Bould tells him that there are time when you should just hoof it clear.

But what were people's thoughts on Rambo and Xhaka? (I'll admit that I miss Santi cos he's still my fave player just cos of his two foot trick, though obv Alexis and Ozil are better players, I suppose.)

Could it work? If only Rambo could get back to scoring like he did in that half a season when he looked about the best CM in the league.

As I say, everyone says he's shît but in 33 mins on Sunday and 70 mins tonight we scored 8 goals. He can't be that bad.

I just feel for Olly. I think there will be many times when he'll need to come on and he'll win us many games from the bench. But we now play with 3 fast, mobile forwards who can switch from wing to centre and back with Ozil playing further forward, more like a Bergy than a Cesc. I can't see Olly getting back into the starting XI.

And if Lucas keeps this up, I'd see him starting if Alexis was being rested or, God forbid, injured.

With Alexis and Ozil and two of the wide men, we have the most exciting front 4 in years.

COYG.

I am blinded by my hatred for "Rambo." Anything good that you say about him, I immediately discount. Apart from that, well done. ;-)
12-07-2016, 08:19 AM
Billy Goat Sverige

Quite a silly post really. Whether he's ****, brilliant, average, him simply being on the pitch when a goal is scored has no reflection on how well he is playing. Now if you want to go away and look at each goal and tell me how he had an impact on each goal then we can start talking.
12-07-2016, 08:31 AM
Pokster

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Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige

Quite a silly post really. Whether he's ****, brilliant, average, him simply being on the pitch when a goal is scored has no reflection on how well he is playing. Now if you want to go away and look at each goal and tell me how he had an impact on each goal then we can start talking.

Well he was involved in (at least) the second and 4th goal, but then the comments come down to what impact did he have in each
12-07-2016, 08:59 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige

Quite a silly post really. Whether he's ****, brilliant, average, him simply being on the pitch when a goal is scored has no reflection on how well he is playing. Now if you want to go away and look at each goal and tell me how he had an impact on each goal then we can start talking.

It's not necessarily about whether he is involved in the goals. It could easily be about how his presence is building the shape and the dynamic of the team, allowing others to create those chances. There is more to football that Opta stats.
12-07-2016, 09:11 AM
redgunamo

Well, yes. And no. Goals is just stats, isn't it.

I'm not sure Bergkamp is the same player if you take all his away. Or how about Messi or Ronaldo?

I don't like numbers and statistics but you can see for yourself why managers, coaches and scouts use them to help judge a player's effectiveness.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

It's not necessarily about whether he is involved in the goals. It could easily be about how his presence is building the shape and the dynamic of the team, allowing others to create those chances. There is more to football that Opta stats.
12-07-2016, 09:15 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

I'm not sure Bergkamp is the same player if you take all his away. Or how about Messi or Ronaldo?

I don't like numbers and statistics but you can see for yourself why managers, coaches and scouts use them to help judge a player's effectiveness.

Certainly, goals are important. Patrick Vieira scored 33 goals for us in 9 years - do you suppose he was picked every week because he scored 4 goals a season?
12-07-2016, 09:17 AM
Jake

He is a precocious cünt and has been utterly diabolical this season.

He also has the discipline of a blind retard.
12-07-2016, 09:22 AM
redgunamo

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Certainly, goals are important. Patrick Vieira scored 33 goals for us in 9 years - do you suppose he was picked every week because he scored 4 goals a season?

Of course not. We didn't select him for that. We picked Henry and Bergkamp to score the goals. That was *their* job.

Reading that again though, I was more referring to the usefulness of football statistics in general, rather than Ramsey's performances in particular.

Sorry :-)
12-07-2016, 09:25 AM
World's End Stella

Putting my anti-Ramsey views aside, if you're going to judge a player on a rather loose association, I would suggest that the approx 100 minutes during which we scored 8 goals against West Ham and Basel while he was in the team is rather less conclusive than the extended period of time during last season and this season when we played poorly and struggled to score goals while Cazorla was injured and Ramsey was in the team some of which came as a direct replacement.

And he never, not ever, ever, ever, looked like the best CM in the league.
12-07-2016, 09:26 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Of course not. We didn't select him for that. We picked Henry and Bergkamp to score the goals. That was *their* job.

Ozil seemed struck me as remarkably Bergkampesque last night.

He can't bend one into the top corner from 30 yeards, though :-(
12-07-2016, 09:29 AM
Billy Goat Sverige

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Originally Posted by Sir C

It's not necessarily about whether he is involved in the goals. It could easily be about how his presence is building the shape and the dynamic of the team, allowing others to create those chances. There is more to football that Opta stats.

You're quite right. But in that case i'd say Xhaka has had more to do with it in the last two games than Ramsey.
12-07-2016, 09:33 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige

You're quite right. But in that case i'd say Xhaka has had more to do with it in the last two games than Ramsey.

You may be right, I only saw the games on TV so it's impossible to draw any conclusions about the shape and the tactics.
12-07-2016, 09:36 AM
redgunamo

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Ozil seemed struck me as remarkably Bergkampesque last night.

He can't bend one into the top corner from 30 yeards, though :-(

Oh, I suppose he can. On his day.

You lose half the player he is if you judge him that way though. Unlike Dennis who *was* a proper goalscorer. And there's the rub :-\
12-07-2016, 09:36 AM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Sir C

You may be right, I only saw the games on TV so it's impossible to draw any conclusions about the shape and the tactics.

I'm just impressed anyone had the stamina to get to the end of GG's post. First para exhausted me
12-07-2016, 09:40 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I'm just impressed anyone had the stamina to get to the end of GG's post. First para exhausted me

There are an awful lot of words in it, aren't there? You've made me re-read it and I neeed a lie down now.

Have you got snow yet?
12-07-2016, 09:42 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I'm just impressed anyone had the stamina to get to the end of GG's post. First para exhausted me

I find I have to mentally sub him as I read.
12-07-2016, 09:43 AM
redgunamo

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I'm just impressed anyone had the stamina to get to the end of GG's post. First para exhausted me

Too much tippy-tappy, do you mean? He needs to get it up to the big man quicker?
12-07-2016, 09:51 AM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Sir C

There are an awful lot of words in it, aren't there? You've made me re-read it and I neeed a lie down now.

Have you got snow yet?

There was a sprinkling on the ground this morning but no real downfall yet
12-07-2016, 12:44 PM
Witharby 2-3 weeks

Well sir, you have got me to post on here. Ahem.......this is no longer a debate.
12-07-2016, 01:28 PM
World's End Stella

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Originally Posted by Witharby 2-3 weeks

Well sir, you have got me to post on here. Ahem.......this is no longer a debate.

Wahey! Welcome back, mate. All well with you and yours? Haven't heard from you since Ian Harvey convinced me to no longer post of Facebook. :-)

And sadly, there are still people who have not seen the light with the Welsher. Our manager for one. :-(
12-07-2016, 01:32 PM
SWv2

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

Also, Perez looks like he could make a very tidy wide forward in our new system. I'd seriously add him to the Feo, Ox and Iwobi options for the wingers. Welbz will be back sometime soon, too. After he scored his CL hat-trick, things went downhill a bit. Let's hope the same doesn't happen to Lucas.

I do feel sorry for Gibbs. Nacho is just that tiny bit safer defensively but if he was playing week in, week out, he'd be England's 1st choice at LB. Hope he stays with us and fights for his place in the team. But he was amazing tonight.

Got an Ozil assist, too. Just a pity that Alexis's great free kick struck the bar and there was no-one to do an Andy Caroll follow up.

Hope young Holding learns from his mistake and Stevie Bould tells him that there are time when you should just hoof it clear.

But what were people's thoughts on Rambo and Xhaka? (I'll admit that I miss Santi cos he's still my fave player just cos of his two foot trick, though obv Alexis and Ozil are better players, I suppose.)

Could it work? If only Rambo could get back to scoring like he did in that half a season when he looked about the best CM in the league.

As I say, everyone says he's shît but in 33 mins on Sunday and 70 mins tonight we scored 8 goals. He can't be that bad.

I just feel for Olly. I think there will be many times when he'll need to come on and he'll win us many games from the bench. But we now play with 3 fast, mobile forwards who can switch from wing to centre and back with Ozil playing further forward, more like a Bergy than a Cesc. I can't see Olly getting back into the starting XI.

And if Lucas keeps this up, I'd see him starting if Alexis was being rested or, God forbid, injured.

With Alexis and Ozil and two of the wide men, we have the most exciting front 4 in years.

COYG.

You're wrong.
12-07-2016, 01:36 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by SWv2

You're wrong.

Surely meant in reply to the Baldy Canadian
12-07-2016, 01:40 PM
World's End Stella

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Surely meant in reply to the Baldy Canadian

I doubt it. Even the Welsher-loving paddy has admitted for some time now that young Aaron's performances have been less than inspiring. He recently published his Arsenal first 11, and it didn't include the Welsher.

Just you and Arsene left then. And I'm sure Arsene will eventually see the light. :-)
12-07-2016, 01:43 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

I doubt it. Even the Welsher-loving paddy has admitted for some time now that young Aaron's performances have been less than inspiring. He recently published his Arsenal first 11, and it didn't include the Welsher.

Just you and Arsene left then. And I'm sure Arsene will eventually see the light. :-)

He wouldn't be in my first XI if everyone was fit - probably not Arsene's either. There is of course a long way from that to him being **** as you keep telling us :shrug: Obviously he is no Mo Sissoko though
12-07-2016, 01:46 PM
World's End Stella

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

He wouldn't be in my first XI if everyone was fit - probably not Arsene's either. There is of course a long way from that to him being **** as you keep telling us :shrug: Obviously he is no Mo Sissoko though

It's been ages since I said he was ****. Or at least since I meant it anyway. :-)

But he isn't good enough to be first 11 at Arsenal (nice that you've finally seen the light) and I'm convinced someone is stupid enough to pay 50mil+ for him.

So off he and his stupid highlights should go.
12-07-2016, 01:49 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

It's been ages since I said he was ****. Or at least since I meant it anyway. :-)

But he isn't good enough to be first 11 at Arsenal (nice that you've finally seen the light) and I'm convinced someone is stupid enough to pay 50mil+ for him.

So off he and his stupid highlights should go.

If Barcelona come calling, I wouldn't hesitate either. I want Jack back :(
12-07-2016, 02:11 PM
World's End Stella

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

If Barcelona come calling, I wouldn't hesitate either. I want Jack back :(

Slightly worrying that we have agreed twice in one day. I miss Jack. Jack is still Arsenal to me.

As Cesc is to Charles, so Jack is to me.