So that banner bloke says he’d want Wenger out even if we won the Double.

Now, I can see how someone could formulate a vaguely coherent argument for why that would make sense, but ultimately, what it would be saying is that a double and two FA Cups in three seasons was "papering over the cracks".

And whatever way you look at, that's just mental, right? It just is. It’s MENTAL. Right?

and have put absolutely no thought into the fact that he might be ****

He actually claims he "wouldve won the league in the last 11 years because he wouldve bought more players".

It's nice everyone isnt constantly pointing out how much of an emotionally deficient retard he is but surely it would be entirely warranted.

With no historical data on previous regime changes to base this on, I'd still suggest the chances of finding a brilliant, instant successor that fulfills their desires is, at best, pretty f**king slim

I'm not sure it's fair to level knee jerk criticism against fans who have largely remained loyal to one manager for twenty seasons.
You have to consider how he would have been treated at other top ten European clubs.
I think both board and fans have largely stood by their man, even in recent times when we've not shown any great momentum in moving forwards.

As indeed he inherited from Rioch and Graham, the other aspects of the club which will be bestowed to a new manager are top class – finances, infrastructure – apart from perhaps the youth side which will take time. We are hardly alone in that one all the same.

“Historical data on previous regime changes” as you have said are utterly irrelevant as this is unique, this will be Arsenal replacing Arsene Wenger.

I look forward to the change as it will be different and in that respect exciting. It may not guarantee ‘success’ such as 8 game a year in Europe but it won’t matter a jot to my support.

To state the bleeding obvious it all comes down to the selection of the new manager by Gazidis and Wenger among others and the entire running of the football club buying into the new managers plans and wishes.

No, of course they won't as both sides of this have formed their opinion over a decent length of time.....

put it this way, if AW had been given the job in the summer of 2005 would you say he would be very lucky to still be in the job now?

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the mire.

That's why people are nervous.

Errr, let me think....

If Wenger finishes outside the top four, I want him to leave. I am entirely open to the idea.

won two trophies in two years and might win the double this year. How is that not progress?

From one who I would state to be among his most staunchest backers on here.

I remember your mum was always ring-fenced :-(

Anyway, what about Wenger being a genius and a' that? The best international scouting network, modern training methods and so on. Have you lost a little bit the belief :-( :-(

and until this season he has achieved it.

Finishing in he top four is essential to the club's progress and to not do so would represent a huge failing that would make his position untenable, if not with the board then with the fans, who are already on a very short fuse with the boke.

He is paid, along with the board, to worry about His replacement. Let's trust Him in that task and see what He comes up with, as and when it's time.

Perhaps "selling 25m+ of players year on year" is what ring-fenced means?

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have gleefully accepted half-a-dozen fifth/sixth place finishes and a European Cup or league title, whichever side of the debate they were on. In fact, that record would've practically ensured that there *was* no such debate.

current leaders, even though they have 'no right' to be top of the league in terms of their resources.

I would dearly love the old man to get another league title before he leaves, but I think that the two criticisms this year are his inability to find players that could strengthen the squad sufficiently to compensate for the inevitable injuries*, but more importantly, the inability to get the best out of a pretty decent group of players when faced with a gaping wide open goal of a league, and we've basically Gervinho'd it since January.

Starting with the feeble and inevitable end to the Liverpool game, and reaching the proverbial nadir with the two awful, awful games against Man Utd and Swansea, it has been a wretched run which leaves the distinct possibility of not only finishing below Spurs and Leicester (with the former quite possibly winning the damned thing), but, on recent form, out of the top four altogether, in a year when Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd have all imploded and given Arsenal their easiest chance for a decade.

Because I always carry a tiny flame of optimism deep within my grumpy, pessimistic, hardened shell, I do hope that the comeback against Spurs sparks the amazing run that we had before when we climbed out of a trough against Spurs. My head laughs at that though.

* I don't necessarily agree with this. Other clubs have spent a king's ransom on players and not benefitted much from it. Leicester's best players have been shrood buys, not big tents.

It was the club.

Hence using the failure to buy players to cover injuries seems to be a peculiar criticism. Even with all the players out, I am struggling to remember games when we have put out a particularly weak XI, that you wouldn't have thought capable of winning the match (on a good day)

So I'm told.

And allow the man the duration of his current deal to attempt to remedy.

regardless of which combination of them you put out.

That's why The Boss needs to be more careful when talking about mone .. resources. I'm sure it gives them the idea that if they were actually as good as we want to believe they are, they would all be playing somewhere else for someone decent.

Happily, that short era appears to be over now.

that is a different discussion than not buting any players in the summer when he knew JW, DW and TR were all out for a good length of time... and when we all know we are crying out for another striker

This mythical striker that we needed may have turned out to be **** :shrug: We needed in-form strikers