Neil will kick his **** in.
I'd pay anything, anything at all, to watch Jones getting battered. Imagine that smug face with rivers of tears, blood and snot pouring down it :clap: :clap: :cloud9:
Back in 5.
Neil will kick his **** in.
I'd pay anything, anything at all, to watch Jones getting battered. Imagine that smug face with rivers of tears, blood and snot pouring down it :clap: :clap: :cloud9:
Back in 5.
It's quite extraordinary. Not least because there are actual tweets from Jones and his coterie praising Neil when he's gone after Tory politicians. This is quite simply an attack on him because he is believed to hold conservative, pro-Brexit views while appearing on the BBC. It is simply an attempt to oust a widely-admired journalist because he's a/ the best interviewer the BBC has and b/ may hold the 'wrong' views (something that was never a problem for Owen it seems when - for instance - Paul Mason was on Newsnight).
It's clearly come down from McDonnell. Jones hasn't the stones to have instigated such an attack off his own back. My concern is that the leftists running the BBC might be involved in this plot to remove him.
But anyway, back to happier matters. Imagine punching the little ****'s face until it resembled a mallet-tenderised steak, until your arm ached so much you feared you'd dislocated your shoulder, until he drowned in his own blood and mucus :cloud9:
Back in 7or 8.
Seems an odd way of going about things. If you explicitly try and get a particular beeb journo sacked for political reasons, it will dig in its heels and do anything to stop that happening because of the precedent it sets.
I agree it's clearly concerted, though. All the usual apparatchiks are out in force retweeting the article with suspiciously similar wording. Clearly McDonnell et al are sick of having the embarrassing shortcomings of their personnel and policies exposed with forensic precision. They prefer nice soft lobs from poorly-briefed walkovers like thon wonky-faced cvnt Marr.
That really is quite a remarkable article. After you extract yourself from the endless rhetoric and unsupported statements (like 'Our press overwhelmingly supports the Tories and is intolerant of even mild deviations from rightwing orthodoxy.', as an example) you realize that the point he is making is that someone cannot do his job effectively because he holds views that I don't agree with.
And he's a liberal. :hehe:
Politics matters, because we all luve with the consequences. The fellow in question peddles a line which is clearly appealing to the weak-minded, the lazy and the feckless (what he call 'Labour voters') and he could potentially be partly responsible for this country and its once-proud inhabitants being crushed under the merciless heel of a McDonnell-led communist dictatorship.
It's important stuff, sw. Our freedom is worth fighting for.
Tim Montgomerie just summed it up rather nicely:
"The Corbyn Left’s intolerance of alternative views is already unattractive - in opposition. Could become dangerously unhealthy if ends up in power. (Always true of ppl with absolutist sense of their moral superiority)."
These people are dangerous.
The issue is more the BBC insist it? We have an unrealistic expectation of objectivity when it comes to the BBC which tends to demand either fake neutrality or centrist consensus- which is, of itself, a clear form of bias.
It would be tough to find a journalist to host a political show on TV who didnt have a background on one side of the fence.
The fuss is because this is an explicit and concerted attempt to remove a journalist from a role not because of how he does his job, but because of who he is and personal views he may hold. We are essentially being told that the possession of certain political ideas makes one unsuitable for a role with the state broadcaster. It's a straight-up authoritarian move by Jones at the behest of his masters.
Imagine if Owen Jones was a burglar who chose the wrong house to break into
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Back tomorrow
What about your man James O'Brien. He grinds my gears. Such a condescending c_unt.
He's been bleating about Brexit ever since the referendum. He believes that all 17m people who voted for it are racist idiots. Always going on about 'flag wavers' & seems to think he knows more than everyone else. He gets working class people calling his show and talks down to them constantly. Cannot stand him.
We have always believed that the possession of certain political views makes one unsuitable for a role with the state broadcaster. WE just dont quite agree on which views those are.
Lets face it, its a bit ****ing rich for a man who hired a holocaust denier to work for his paper on some nazi diaries to be having a go at theLabour Party for being anti Semitic.
No, it's deliberate and cynical whataboutery that utterly ignores context and intent on Neil's part in doing that in order to deflect from the antisemitism of the Labour Party. Nobody in their right mind thinks Neil is in any sense an anti-semite and he made it clear at the time that he was using Irving very reluctantly because he possessed the technical wherewithal to do what was needed.
If you disagree with that judgement call, that's fine, but it in no way undermines Neil's ability to point out and criticise anti-semitism. Jones is purely interested in smearing an opponent - nothing more.
Hiring the most famous holocaust denier in Britain to research a piece on Nazi material for an established national newspaper is a 'judgement call'?? You are damn right it is, and a pretty ****ing awful one.
Its absurd to suggest that this isnt relevant when you start throwing the stones of anti semitism at other people.
When Corbyn has a beer with someone from the IRA he is a terrorist. When Neil works with holocaust deniers he is simply a brilliant editor.
Bull****.
Of course this is smearing an opponent but that does NOT mean he doesnt have a point. :) and the smearing is not ofNeil as such but the BBC and wider media in general. Which is a bit ****ty....
Utter fúcking bóllocks.
The Labour Party contains, endorses, promotes and nurtures anti-semites from top to bottom. It’s riddled with them and the rot starts at the head.
That simply isn’t comparable to Neil hiring a qualified person with whom he explicitly disagreed and whose views he condemned AT THE TIME to do a certain job. You can argue he was wrong to do that, but you absolutely cannot say it disqualifies him on any level from highlighting and attacking anti-semitism now.
Anyway, the suggestion that the BBC is in any way right leaning is fûcking delusional and anyone spouting such drivel deserves contempt and ridicule.
Its funny how you are soooooo ****ing furious over anti-semitism but happy to parade your hatred of Muslims. Not that I would ever accuse you of simply wanting to smear an opponent or anything.
I have no problem with Neil whatsoever. I haven't problem with him working for the BBC. He's engaging and very watchable. However- using Irving was a dreadful judgement.. There were plenty of historians better qualified to do that work ( I know of at least three personally) and on whose judgement you could more safely rest.
And I am sorry, but you are either judged by the company you keep or you aren't. If Corbyn's friends taint him then Neil is linked to Irving and shall be forever more.
Your description of anti-semitism in the Labour Party is so off the charts crazy I cant even decide how to respond. This will need some thought.
I don't hate muslims. I absolutely despise their religion and regard it as utterly incompatible with a civilised country, but I don't hate them as individuals.
As for the rest of it, Corbyn seeks out anti-semites and terrorists as 'friends'. Neil once hired one in a business arrangement. Many Jews believe Corbyn to be an anti-semite. None believe Neil to be one.
I suppose I am trying to suggest that I see it all as the same thing. Hating Israel means being pro-Palestine, which means being pro-arab, which means pro-Muslim, which means anti-semite. Loving Israel means being anti-Palestine, anti Arab, anti muslim and loving jews.
We are being asked to pick sides on something that most of dont care about and dont fully understand. It is total horse**** from start to finish but it seems to me that if one is appalled by one prejudice one should be appalled by the other. Unless one would rather choose sides, of course.
Having been closely involved with theLabour Party all my life, and having never witnessed so much as an anti-semitic joke, it is difficult to accept the current view of my party. Largely because I know it is *******s.
I'm drawing the distinction between loathing people's beliefs and loathing them as individuals. I despise socialism, but find some socialists to be almost tolerable if you try not to think about the crap they believe. Similarly, I think Islam is a foul, savage and evil belief system, but that does not mean I necessarily believe muslims to be foul, savage and evil. That's quite different to anti-semitism, which is an actual hatred of people based on their race regardless of what they believe. The two are not comparable.
As someone pointed out last week, there are many, many worse countries in the world than Israel with vastly worse records of oppression and subjugation. And yet the left is obsessed with Israel rather than any of these others. Israel...the only Jewish state in the world. :rubchin:
It's legitimate to wonder why that might be and to wonder why it should be that, of all the peoples in the world with a grievance, the Palestinians should have found such fertile ground for their cause in the western left. The conclusion isn't hard to draw.
Traditionally, the left hated Israel because of american involvement, particularly in funding their military. THis was a legitimate prejudice as,lets face it, lefties hate the yanks and, in the post war years, for good and well established reasons.
It seems to have changed but I agree with you- I dont really see why a british labour movement should be so pre-occupied with an issue that doesnt concern 99% of british people and is not even a particularly significant part of british foreign policy.
I think you'll find, old chap, that those hook-nosed money-grasping bankers have conspired with Amerika to downpress the poor workers for years now. Why even Our Karl Marx and Our Adolf Hitler knew it!
The Left's anti-semitism: where cultural bigotry meets whackjob conspiracy theory.
You have said on here that you would love to have ensured that no muslims ever came to britain. Had anyone said that about jews would you have considered it anti-semitic?
The two are directly comparable. We cant trade beliefs and say 'I only hate him cos of his religion, not cos of his race'.
Prejudice is prejudice and if we can separate one entity from the individual we can separate the other. Judaism is after all a faith.