I thought he was top class? Looks like a complete donkey.
A sh!t Didi Hamann imo
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I thought he was top class? Looks like a complete donkey.
A sh!t Didi Hamann imo
Pretty much everyone appeared to chuck the towel in after the penalty. I thought Bellerin was the worst. A couple of times he was stood in the box making no effort to reach a loose ball at all. Noticed Elneny do the same.
I doubt it is much more than a lack of confidence and morale in the dressing room. Unfortunately, none of it will get addressed as Wenger will focus on the penalty. The truth is it is our reaction to the penalty that cost us the game. Wenger sulked, so did the players.
Thought Troy Deeney's comment were spot on.
A general lack of conviction from the team...the 1st half was a little too casual for me...just happy to tap it around without going for the kill.
interesting thread on Reddit where they're arguing about the formation i.e. Back 3, back 4, 442, 443, 4231 etc
Personally think at times we could have 12 on the pitch and still lose because the attitude of the players isn't right.
They can do it...we saw that when they mastered City and Chelsea in the Cup...maybe Wenger isn't ruthless enough with them.
For sure. We lose too many silly games in similar circumstances year after year for the results to be down simply to individual error, it is a collective problem starting at Wenger and down through the players.
There are 2-3 players who will always be the lightning rod for fans anger, in some twisted world of reality I expect Ramsey is taking stick for Saturday even though he was absent. Xhaka stood still while Cleverley moved into space but the collapse in performance had happened long before.
The situation with Ozil and Sanchez, an absolute fúcking shambles which we created for ourselves in the summer. We are not selling, no way, we will stand firm, okay we will sell, shít it's too late.
Every bad performance or result turned into an over analysis of effort and attitude.
Long season ahead.
Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!
Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.
Anyway, it's the other way about. It's because they're professionals that you don't need to motivate them, you just have to pay them. Football is a self-motivating activity; either you want to play or you don't. That's the rule.
Perhaps it's true, we're just not good enough and this is *how* we're not good enough and you just have to accept it?
This is a huge part of the issue, no point in getting massively upset when we lose to lesser sides, it is where we currently are.
We are on a given day capable of beating a City or whoever but equally we are quite a distance behind them. Our days of being brilliant and even invincible are well behind us.
I have not really over exposed myself to it. The outcome with Mourinho being pragmatic and seeming to prioritise not losing over actually winning does not surprise me, he has form.
Sad scenes in a way as even less Pogba and whoever else they should have been good enough to beat an average Liverpool team.
I am sure he sees it as a point well earned, which perhaps any such point away from home is?
While Kosh keeps playing through a fairly serious achilles problem. This is code for snowflakery imo. Whatever else one thinks of them, Erzl, Alexis and Ramsey are probably the three players most likely to get us goals. He doesn't even trust his incredibly expensive number nine to play a whole football match.
#bouldyin
Whilst I quite like the non-communicative Bouldy . . . he and every single member of the coaching team need ****ing out of the window. I hear even Sir Chesney was (more or less) slagging Gerry Peyton off
... and what was RvP's comment to Rio Ferdinand..?
“I remember Robin van Persie loving that. He told me that at Arsenal you wanted to win, but at United you had to win."
So which is it? You first said they are not robots, and that they have feelings, which is why they're allowed a day off to go and cry about their international failure. Then you are basically saying that they are robots, and all you have to do is switch them on and feed them money and they go and play, and motivation doesn't come into it.
Second point is bang on though. We're not good enough because we are weak. Not every week, but too many weaks on too many weeks.
Olly has been playing in the Champions League for 6 years and is France's 7th highest goalscorer ever. You think he'll be placated by the odd game against FC Chicken Kiev?
What I didn't reveal in my previous post is that if my assumption is right, I would be horrified.
Why would there be fist fights? We are in the mix, knocking around the top of the table with all the teams you'd expect. Granted, we've fallen behind the leaders, but we are where we'd hope we'd be, albeit a few points worse off. Disappointing and concerning, of course, but no reason for fist fights.
Yes, you may well be right that Arsene is placating Giroud. At the expense of the bloke who was bought to be better than him, and now gets to sixty minutes in every game knowing that he has just ten minutes to score before getting the hook. What does that do for him?
Basically, you cannot treat them like robots even though the demands of professionalism insist that you do and despite the fact that you know you shouldn't, in any case. So long as they get rewarded well enough, this is not a problem, except, as you say, to those who don't. The supporters who want to win the league, for instance.
I wasn't trying to say we're weak, more that nowadays we want to have different strengths. The Keown/Deeney exchange post-match touched on this; TD boasting that he came on to try to rough us up and Keown replying sadly that, once upon a time, he would have out there waiting for him. And adding that he didn't think this Arsenal team and these Arsenal players had that attitude anymore.
Well, duh .. :homer:
Fúck Giroud, quite frankly.
He is being placated to the tune of about 80k per week and chose to stay with us in the summer, knowing that Lacazette had arrived, and also knowing that we were willing to allow him to leave.
I personally find the substitution policy with AL to be beyond bizarre. Almost like a manager who no longer really knows what is best to do but is bumbling along.