He is, they say, determined to deport millions of people from the US, and this, they say, is racist. From what I have read, however, he seems to be promising to deport millions of illegal immigrants from the US. This puzzles me.
I mean, isn't 'deporting' exactly what you do to illegal immigrants? If you didn't, then what would be the point of being a legal immigrant?
Racism is complicated, isn't it?
It is indeed. It's like how it's also racist to point out that someone clearly isn't a child or for that matter a refugee when the only excuse for letting them enter the country is that they are a child and/or a refugee. I'm sure Gary Lineker and Lily Allen could explain why doing this makes you a racist, but I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Essentially, I think it's that if someone is poorer and browner than you, then questioning their right to live in your country is racism.
It would seem a shame that some criminal types* who would not add anything to your society who came in illegally should stay on the basis of not seemingly to appear racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
but Pat Vegas** can't move to the US. a hard working Awimb posting, son of a gun who would contribute to the country chasing the American Dream.
It's a bit bizarre as the rules Trump wishes to employ are pretty much what canada do already. But they are seen as the easy going Northern neighbour.
* Some criminal types not everyone is a criminal. Yet again if they are 'illegal' then they have broken the law and are also criminal.
**Yes that's right I've turned it about myself again.
When did Lily Allen appoint herself as spokesperson on all matters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I thought she was alright before.
When she needed the publicity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
She can fark off low-rent Lady Gaga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Obama deported 2.5 million people. More than any other US president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Racist? Non-racist? I just can't tell any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Non racist. As Obama has darker ski..... actually forget it I'll only end up in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Well it's become meaningless, hasn't it? The same word that once denoted the sort of person who'd openly abuse or discriminate against someone of a different race is now reflexively used to describe anyone who questions an open-door immigration policy or wonders aloud whether there might be a problem with some of the habits and attitudes endemic to Islamic communities in the UK. As such, it loses any meaning and increasingly loses impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Can someone point me to an example of someone being called a racist because they questioned an immigration policy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Is this editorial nonsense in papers like the Guardian or is it typically a public accusation by an individual?
Well just off the top of my head there was the time a serving Prime Minister called a lifelong Labour supporter a 'bigoted woman' because she dared to question his immigration policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
Hmm, how about the newspaper editorials, social media posts and demonstrating snowflakes calling anyone who voted 'Leave' a racist bigot. Did you not notice that?Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
Um, an off the cuff comment by that one-eyed, fat-headed, Jock tosser about some woman he met for all of a minute or two? BTW, we don't actually know that he felt she was bigoted for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
No, sorry Burney, with all this outrage about the left calling everyone something that ends with 'ism' all the time so much so that it's threatening our very existence I wouldn't mind a better example, if you have one.
No, I didn't. Do you have an example? BTW, I use virtually no social media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
:shrug: You can do yyour own research, old chap.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
It's the other way about, I think. There was no real outrage from Trump's side, but it was clearly ridiculous to find him appalling whilst preparing to return Bill Clinton to the White House instead. It was the Clintons themselves that lowered the appropriate-behaviour-bar, made the rules. So why was there no outrage from their own supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
You think identity politics is just a made up thing by paranoid people on the right and doesn't play a significant role in every area of cultural and political life?Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
Ah, the old 'Ask for an example, be given an obvious, clear-cut and extremely high profile one and then reject it because...err...reasons' approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
Google is your friend. If you're actually interested in evidence that counters your point of view, that is - which, of course, you aren't.
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Originally Posted by Sir C
I must admit that I have seen nothing to suggest that there is outrage at Trump's decision to deport illegals. Do you have a sauce?
I believe he suggested Google.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
You'll have to point me to where I said anything like that, Monty. BTW, I think the whole 'identity politics' thing is load of nonsense. It's just another form of democratic expression, as far as I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
No, what I'd like to see is an example of a credible source (i.e. not The Sun) making a logical and rational argument for immigration control (or some other controversial policy of some kind) and then being accused of racism (or some other ism) by an equally credible source.
I must confess, I read the newspapers every day, I watch the television and listen to the radio pretty much every day, and I have yet to see or hear this particular phenomena. And yet there is no shortage of outrage from the right (I would consider myself to be part of the right, BTW) about how often this occurs. Burney has provided an example of an off the cuff comment by the former prime minister after a brief conversation with an individual, I'd like something a little more tangible, if possible.
[QUOTE=World's End Stella;4136215]You'll have to point me to where I said anything like that, Monty. BTW, I think the whole 'identity politics' thing is load of nonsense. It's just another form of democratic expression, as far as I can see.
No, what I'd like to see is an example of a credible source (i.e. not The Sun) making a logical and rational argument for immigration control (or some other controversial policy of some kind) and then being accused of racism (or some other ism) by an equally credible source.
I must confess, I read the newspapers every day, I watch the television and listen to the radio pretty much every day, and I have yet to see or hear this particular phenomena. And yet there is no shortage of outrage from the right (I would consider myself to be part of the right, BTW) about how often this occurs. Burney has provided an example of an off the cuff comment by the former prime minister after a brief conversation with an individual, I'd like something a little more tangible, if possible
Trump has only said reasonable things about immigrantion policy and everyone on the left
considers him at best a racist and at worst a nazi. Is that not a good enough example?
Germain Greer, saying that men pretending to be women are not women. She got crucified. (not literally, before someone points that out).Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
EDIT: I use this example as one of the most influential feminists in history is probably a credible authority on what a woman is.
See also Peter Tatchell: Gay Rights activist who got into trouble for defending free speech in universities.
:hehe: Still banging on about that. Seriously though - she said something controversial and people criticised her - criticism to which she was quite able to respond. How this equates to - even figuratively - being crucified is bafflingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ash
I'll certainly crucify you if you post that old photograph of her in the altogether :-|Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Controversial? Odd way of spelling sensible imo. Wasn't long ago when it was controversial for a man to use women's changing rooms. Excuse my metaphor but there was a ****storm of outrage against her. Do we really have to analyse each article on the subject?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
I did think that it was a bit of a risk her being mentioned like that. In the old days, no sooner would you mention GG than the pic of her hairy growler would appear. It was traditional.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
And in the interests of equalityQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Pat Rice's cock
On the plus side, since the mewling lefty brats had Brexit and Trump to wail about, the transloonies have wound their necks in a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Perhaps I'll be able to go for a piss without being sexually molested by crazed manwomen, after all.
I wonder if they ever met?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCurly
:shuddddddddder:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Everyone's a pansexual these days, apparently. At least that seems to be the latest way for women who are actually straight but want to seem more interesting than they actually are and men who are gay but don't want to admit it to describe themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Look mate, I like cooking as much as the next bloke but I'm buggered if I'll have sex with a pan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
You could bugger yourself with a panhandle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Yes, if I were arrested for begging it would definitely affect my career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
[QUOTE=Monty92;4136218]This is a reasonable statement on Mexican immigrants, is it Monty? No suggestion of racism in there anywhere, you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
"When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"
So no, it's a terrible example.
[QUOTE=World's End Stella;4136272]I have zero love for the man WES but doesn't quite a large percentage of the heroin coming into the US is coming from Mexico?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
It may not be "immigrants" that are bringing it but it's deffo Mexicans smuggling it
No, I was just thinking of ways to have sex with pans. Buggering oneself is the easiest (if you're a chap - ladies have their noo-noos for that sort of thing, I believe). I'm not really sure how else one would go about it, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
[QUOTE=TheCurly;4136274]Yeah. Also, he's also statistically right about the levels of crime perpetrated by illegal Mexican immigrants, but hey.Quote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella