How boring are those curling stones matches at the winter olympic ?

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I've heard of them. Didn't know they were a tribute act though, mostly original stuff.

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Nice guys. They did a few of their own songs as well.

Later that evening some woman started doing acoustic versions of Tiffany songs. Turned out it was Tiffany :-)

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

lol. Harsh but fair. It is Americans, after all.

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They dont get enough credit for it. It is a majestic read :-)

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Originally Posted by Peter

Nice guys. They did a few of their own songs as well.

Later that evening some woman started doing acoustic versions of Tiffany songs. Turned out it was Tiffany :-)

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:-| That must've come as a bit of an unwelcome surprise.

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:-| That must've come as a bit of an unwelcome surprise.

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It was of little importance to me (I'd had a few, like) but my friends seemed quite excited. There were selfies etc.

I was hanging with the Maiden guys, hearing about their plans for an acoustic reworking of The Trooper :-)

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They dont get enough credit for it. It is a majestic read :-)

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Trouble is they don't want war, anyway not on their own turf and between their own peoples. Whereas everyone in the Old World knows this sort of thing is both inevitable and desirable and it's silly, pointless and naive trying to avoid it. It's how a nation refreshes itself. As dear old Fat Pete Clemenza explains, every once in a while you need a war, to get rid of the bad blood.

"Bad blood" here having the meaning bad vibes, bad feelings and bad people with bad genes; degenerates. My wife clarified that last bit to me. German, see. I had had no idea :-\

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It just doesn't move in me.

The declaration of independence is the better read. Now that is romantic :-)

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Good God, I'd forgotten you're into Yank history.

Strangely enough, it's not. For some reason {and ask the pwoppa experts, not me} the Yank revolution is seen as the last bit of full on Enlightenment while it's the Fr Rev that starts the changeover to Romanticism.

Thus I'd prefer the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man or, two years later, Olympes de Gourges Declaration of the Rights of women. {Mary Shelly's mum doing the UK one the following year, from memory.}

Oh, thinking about it, why is the US Revolution Enlightenment and the Fr Rev the start of the changeover to Romanticism? Slavery, imo.

1783, or whenever, Yanks have a constitution which allows slavery and says each one is 3/5th of a white man.

Fr Rev initially, abolishes slavery. Yes, Boney brings it back because of the economic warfare with us. But that's why Romanticism starts with the Fr Rev, and Wilberforce and Wedgewood's anti-slave pottery in the 1780s but not the US Rev from the 1770s.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Trouble is they don't want war, anyway not on their own turf and between their own peoples. Whereas everyone in the Old World knows this sort of thing is both inevitable and desirable and it's silly, pointless and naive trying to avoid it. It's how a nation refreshes itself. As dear old Fat Pete Clemenza explains, every once in a while you need a war, to get rid of the bad blood.

"Bad blood" here having the meaning bad vibes, bad feelings and bad people with bad genes; degenerates. My wife clarified that last bit to me. German, see. I had had no idea :-\

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Dear old Clemenza was also a harsh critic of appeasement. Values of the old world. A great man :-)

Home advantage in war can be both an advantage and a burden. Mass civilian death being one of the burdens. Maybe they have a point.....

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Good God, I'd forgotten you're into Yank history.

Strangely enough, it's not. For some reason {and ask the pwoppa experts, not me} the Yank revolution is seen as the last bit of full on Enlightenment while it's the Fr Rev that starts the changeover to Romanticism.

Thus I'd prefer the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man or, two years later, Olympes de Gourges Declaration of the Rights of women. {Mary Shelly's mum doing the UK one the following year, from memory.}

Oh, thinking about it, why is the US Revolution Enlightenment and the Fr Rev the start of the changeover to Romanticism? Slavery, imo.

1783, or whenever, Yanks have a constitution which allows slavery and says each one is 3/5th of a white man.

Fr Rev initially, abolishes slavery. Yes, Boney brings it back because of the economic warfare with us. But that's why Romanticism starts with the Fr Rev, and Wilberforce and Wedgewood's anti-slave pottery in the 1780s but not the US Rev from the 1770s.

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The French ruthlessly plagiarised the Americans, who effectively paraphrased Locke. But with considerable style and flourish.

It stands today as the measure of American society, and a measure of their failures. It may borrow from Enlightenment philosophy but there is NOTHING more romantic than failure....

Maybe i spent too much time watching Woody Allen films as a youth :-)

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Dear old Clemenza was also a harsh critic of appeasement. Values of the old world. A great man :-)

Home advantage in war can be both an advantage and a burden. Mass civilian death being one of the burdens. Maybe they have a point.....

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Yeah, you spill too much good blood as well.

Captain Darling again, despite him having been a stumper :-\

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Yeah, you spill too much good blood as well.

Captain Darling again, despite him having been a stumper :-\

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As Sollozzo says, blood is a big expense. He may have been useful with a knife but only in matters of business, and with a legitimate grievance. Old school.