PhilosophyWIMB: How omnipotent is your deity?

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Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez

Deity's are a figment of one's imagination, aren't they? I guess that would mean that they are as omnipotent as one's imagination might want them to be?

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Must you always take everything so literally, Alberto? We can pretend.

What, you chaps think we're just gonna stand still?

You think AI isn't going to change the world in ways we litewwwwally can't comprehend, Jeff?

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Originally Posted by Burney

When? Thus far, AI has managed to achieve approximately the intellect of a cockroach.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Ineffability is just one of the magic words in the theist's Toolbox of Cheating:

"Don't give me logic, it doesn't count because your reason is invalid because God."
So how do you 'know' he's ineffable, eh? Oh yeah, because you said so and your mind is just as feeble as mine.
"Because he is God, who is by definition all the things I want him to be".
Circular logic, another favourite.

You'll be coming at me with transubstantiation next.

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I can’t help it that you’re so monstrously arrogant/lacking in imagination as to be unable to allow/comprehend the possibility of an intelligence so vastly greater than yours that you cannot possibly comprehend it, a. :shrug:
It seems to me, however, that that is your failing, not that of believers.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

What, you chaps think we're just gonna stand still?

You think AI isn't going to change the world in ways we litewwwwally can't comprehend, Jeff?

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Oh, no. I was simply taking issue with your use of the word ‘soon’

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Originally Posted by Burney

Oh, no. I was simply taking issue with your use of the word ‘soon’

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:rolleyes: I can’t help it that you’re so monstrously arrogant/lacking in imagination as to be unable to allow/comprehend the possibility of "soon" being beyond your own irrelevant mortality.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

What, you chaps think we're just gonna stand still?

You think AI isn't going to change the world in ways we litewwwwally can't comprehend, Jeff?

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Only if we believe and have faith in it, m

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Originally Posted by Monty92

:rolleyes: I can’t help it that you’re so monstrously arrogant/lacking in imagination as to be unable to allow/comprehend the possibility of "soon" being beyond your own irrelevant mortality.

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I do apologise. Just for the sake of clarity, the next time you use the word ‘soon’, would you be so kind as to clarify whether you’re using it in a human, historical or geological sense? Thanks awfully. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Monty92

What, you chaps think we're just gonna stand still?

You think AI isn't going to change the world in ways we litewwwwally can't comprehend, Jeff?

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You might as well posit that 'soon' an AI could do a better job at managing this group of players than Arsene Wenger?

The steam engine changed the world dramatically, as has 'regular' computing. It's what technology does. Don't underestimate the human mind though just because computers can count faster than we can and execute pattern-recognition algorithms.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I can’t help it that you’re so monstrously arrogant/lacking in imagination as to be unable to allow/comprehend the possibility of an intelligence so vastly greater than yours that you cannot possibly comprehend it, a. :shrug:
It seems to me, however, that that is your failing, not that of believers.

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I'm grateful to Monty now for bringing AI into this thread because we are now comparing three types of intelligence. One of which is real, empirically experienced by all, measurable in some ways, and with the whole of history to analyse it's outputs for good and ill.

The other two are both hypothetical, and at opposite extremes in different directions from the one real intelligence we know. One might one day come into being as something other than a conjuring trick (which contemporary AI is), the other has apparently always been there and is what we project a fantasy extrapolation of ourselves onto, bestowing it with any and all super-human powers we can imagine.

It is not lack of imagination or an excess of arrogance that drives my position, but a lack of evidence. (We could speculate about alien or animal intelligence too but ultimately to no end)

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Originally Posted by Ash

You might as well posit that 'soon' an AI could do a better job at managing this group of players than Arsene Wenger?

The steam engine changed the world dramatically, as has 'regular' computing. It's what technology does. Don't underestimate the human mind though just because computers can count faster than we can and execute pattern-recognition algorithms.

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It is by not underestimating the human mind that AI should worry us all. It is, after all, the ingenuity of the human mind that, for good or for ill, will allow the potential of AI to expand beyond our imagination.

I heard a nice analogy recently. Imagine if dogs had invented humans. In the eyes of dogs, on balance this would seem to have worked out very well, given how most dog owners worship their dogs. But what would happen if we found out that all dogs carried a virus that could kill off humans?

We'd kill all the dogs, without batting an eyelid. Our hitherto emotional attachment to them would be rendered utterly irrelevant.

So what happens when humans create AI that sees us in a similar way? And then they realise we represent an existential threat to them (say, by virtue of our ability to flick them on and off)> There wouldn't even an emotional hurdle for them to jump in deciding whether or not to destroy us.