I reckon I've only ever been angered by 4 football matches.

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Originally Posted by Peter

I hated it. He has done Because the Night every time I have seen him (seven times). Its ****. Ditto Waiting on a Sunny Day.

Something in the Night was great, Save My Love was a nice touch but three of four nice touches in a 33 song set is not good enough.

Dublin was even worse. Aside from Independence Day it was horribly disappointing. At least I was so drunk by the end that I barely noticed Bono on stage.

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Springsteen out?

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Originally Posted by SWv2

While running around to build up a sweat is admirable I am not sure it absolves people from utterly shameful performances.

Mustafi was terrible. Utterly fúcking terrible. While I appreciate the physical strength of professional footballers and perhaps some dark arts, his apparent lack of challenge on Lewandowski was shameful – and I say this while completely acknowledging the brilliance of what the Polish striker achieved. I am still unsure of what he was doing on the third goal. We are talking here of a 35m German international professional footballer.

Chamberlain I can kind of absolve as ultimately what transpired was not entirely his fault but one of selection, and here I admit that like many others I thought pre-game he should start in midfield. In hindsight I think we may have been better off playing a midfield player in midfield, as fúcking pyramid inverting that may sound. I liken his performance to the good old days when a keeper may get injured and we may chuckle as Niall Quinn or the likes pulled on the green. Yes you may get away with it for a game but ultimately you will be found out, especially if you play a very good team. He started okay and ran around, similar to Chelsea a few weeks ago he started okay and ran around but then as the game settles the opposition simply bypass him because he is not a midfield player and things which are coached and natural and second nature to midfield players are foreign to him. His dire circumstances exacerbated by having a midfield colleague who is a good player but is simply not good enough when faced with the very highest level.

And then the fúcking cherry on what was ultimately a cake whose main ingredient was shÃ*t we are losing badly, indeed we are being humiliated yet again, mentally shattered as Wenger himself admitted and we sound the sirens and call for backup, the cavalry as such.

And the cameras turn to Theo fúcking Walcott. And at that point Jesus did weep.

Perhaps we thought the game was over and instead we were going to challenge them to a race in a straight line.

Almost everything else you have said I agree with.

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You make good points, but the fact remains that Bayern are a very, very good side indeed against whom techincal excellence will get you the square root of fúck all if you're not prepared to match them physically.

But basically we agree.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Well, for most of thoise 10 years he kept us near the top of the league and solvent with a budget of about 40 quid, a greater achievement that doubles and unbeaten seasons :shrug:

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The money situation is a source of some debate, Charles. I've never believed that Wenger was under the financial constraints so many people were certain of, mostly because the financial statements of the club indicate it wasn't true.

That aside, the lack of money does not explain mentally weak, defensively unaware players being trotted out week after week and seemingly never held accountable for their performances.

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Originally Posted by Burney

The paradox being, of course, that the only way you can get that football back is by walking away from it and refusing to keep funding the current model through Sky subscriptions, season tickets, merch, etc.

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You're right of course.

Murdoch, et al is to blame - not the players and agents who are milking it dry.

Kodi streams from now on :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Burney

No. He's a control freak. He'll be all up in the manager's grill and shït

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:nod: I recently met a woman whose job is to ensure the whole mascot experience goes very smoothly. She also has to orchestrate the arrival of the visiting players and marshal the media around both dressing rooms, make sure the flowers are fresh etc.

She told me has to be involved in everything. She pinned a small notice to the home dressing room door and he got quite flustered about it, demanding to know who did it and announcing it must never happen again. It was, incidentally, purely an aesthetic objection, nothing to do with the content of the note ( I fully expect you to excercise your creative powers to surmise what may have been on the note :-) )

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

The money situation is a source of some debate, Charles. I've never believed that Wenger was under the financial constraints so many people were certain of, mostly because the financial statements of the club indicate it wasn't true.

That aside, the lack of money does not explain mentally weak, defensively unaware players being trotted out week after week and seemingly never held accountable for their performances.

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You realise we're third in the league, right?

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Originally Posted by Peter

I hated it. He has done Because the Night every time I have seen him (seven times). Its ****. Ditto Waiting on a Sunny Day.

Something in the Night was great, Save My Love was a nice touch but three of four nice touches in a 33 song set is not good enough.

Dublin was even worse. Aside from Independence Day it was horribly disappointing. At least I was so drunk by the end that I barely noticed Bono on stage.

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7 times? Apologies, I didn't realise I was conversing with a JCL glory-hunting type :-(

You might be happier going to see Ed Sheeran, I think. He plays some nice pop songs.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

You realise we're third in the league, right?

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No. Mostly because we're fourth.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

You realise we're third in the league, right?

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Psssst, we're 4th

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

No. Mostly because we're fourth.

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Oh right, it's clearly a fúcking crisis then.