There are people to whom I am connected on Facebook (yes, I know...)

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Are you not proud to be an Arsenal supporter? Same difference, imo.

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Answered above via kismet

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Originally Posted by The Jorge

But do you only get that in *your* place then? I get that in Yorkshire, in Andalucia and in Florence. I get it when I think of the North Bank but I dont get it anywhere else in London, I dont get it when I see a union jack or hear the anthem, quite the opposite in those cases.

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There are all sorts of things that you don't 'get', because you're a professional contrarian, a full-time hipster and a soulless communist :shrug:

Jorge, Why did you opt for an Irish passport if being patriotic doesn't mean anything to you? ;)

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Originally Posted by The Jorge

But do you only get that in *your* place then? I get that in Yorkshire, in Andalucia and in Florence. I get it when I think of the North Bank but I dont get it anywhere else in London, I dont get it when I see a union jack or hear the anthem, quite the opposite in those cases.

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That merely speaks to me of a certain narrowness of mind, though - certainly not of its opposite. You are talking about small places rather than about the larger ideas of which they are a part.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Aw, shucks. Sorry Sir C let the side down with 'maison de council', though.

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It is a common construction in, erm, the Languedoc. Yes, the Languedoc.

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Originally Posted by The Jorge

Answered above via kismet

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Yes, that's right; your place is "you". And if "you" can choose then so can everybody else surely.

What is there not to get?

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Originally Posted by Norn Iron

Jorge, Why did you opt for an Irish passport if being patriotic doesn't mean anything to you? ;)

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Because it's a way of showing how unpatriotic he is - which is, of course, a tacit acknowledgement of just how large and significant the idea of England and Britain loom in his mind. But never mind, eh? Therein lies the inherent contradiction of the dyed-in-the-wool self-loathing British lefty.

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Originally Posted by Burney

That merely speaks to me of a certain narrowness of mind, though - certainly not of its opposite. You are talking about small places rather than about the larger ideas of which they are a part.

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And what does "Andalucia" mean? Magaluf?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

You're not helping your argument by quoting some dead bloke who was neither funny nor wise.

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George Carlin was indeed not particularly interesting. His whole black t-shirt thing was depressing as well.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

It is spiritually-rooted and entirely visceral, an emotion rather than a choice, an unquantifiable connection to place, to earth, to people and their deeds. It is like love, or religion or any other inexplicable need which springs from the soul and defines us as human.

That's how deep it is.

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Or, as it is written:

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is tramping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored.

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Have some of that, you filthy blue-painted scallywags