This is looking like yet another perfect set of scores

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Originally Posted by WES

I'm willing to bet that the large majority of the people saying we need Havertz back because Gyokeres is sh1t were the same people telling us how sh1t Havertz was at the midway point of his first season.

Henry and Bobby were getting slated halfway through their first season as well. Henry not a natural finisher and never would be, Bobby too lightweight etc etc etc

Some people just never learn.

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Tbf, Kai was playing GX's inside left role for the first half of the season. He was getting stick because he wasn't scoring or making goals, but I did point out at the time that if you compare him with what GX was doing, he wasn't doing any worse.

Likewise, I've been saying that Vik has been getting better, and also that he is contributing in myriad different ways. He draws defenders to make space for the other attackers, and his bustling hard work has directly led to goals.

But I also think that when you look how well we played with Kai that half season after Dubia, and also how well we played with MnM last year and this, our team does seem to suit a very creative false nine. And that's what Kai is. He may not have the body strength of ViK, but he's got the height, he's good in the air and scores headers, he can finish when put clean through and he links up really well with the rest of the attack.

It's not that Vik {or Jeez} are sh1t, it's just I think a fully fit and firing Kai is our best option.

I also think that is we start Kai and need a goal, bringing on Vik for Zubi with Dec at DM and having Kai at inside left or playing 4-4-2 with both up top gives us another great option. If playing against a parked bus, Dec and Odin as a 2-man MF's fine and Vik and Kai might work well together.

Or like NU, take off a FB for Vik and play 3-3-4.

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Originally Posted by Chief Arrowhead

Could be, was thinking more Norwegian death metal. Gullhar

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

Tbf, Kai was playing GX's inside left role for the first half of the season. He was getting stick because he wasn't scoring or making goals, but I did point out at the time that if you compare him with what GX was doing, he wasn't doing any worse.

Likewise, I've been saying that Vik has been getting better, and also that he is contributing in myriad different ways. He draws defenders to make space for the other attackers, and his bustling hard work has directly led to goals.

But I also think that when you look how well we played with Kai that half season after Dubia, and also how well we played with MnM last year and this, our team does seem to suit a very creative false nine. And that's what Kai is. He may not have the body strength of ViK, but he's got the height, he's good in the air and scores headers, he can finish when put clean through and he links up really well with the rest of the attack.

It's not that Vik {or Jeez} are sh1t, it's just I think a fully fit and firing Kai is our best option.

I also think that is we start Kai and need a goal, bringing on Vik for Zubi with Dec at DM and having Kai at inside left or playing 4-4-2 with both up top gives us another great option. If playing against a parked bus, Dec and Odin as a 2-man MF's fine and Vik and Kai might work well together.

Or like NU, take off a FB for Vik and play 3-3-4.

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One thing is certainly true. It is very, very difficult to score a hatful of goals at centre forward un this side. We've had plenty of strikers under Arteta and none of them have done better than 1 in 2.

The team isnt set up to focus the creativity around one guy, the way City do with Haaland.

And it is fine. I don't want one guy scoring all the goals. The most important thing is that we don't have a centre forward who is missing chances constantly.

In short, I agree. I want Haveetz back. Not because other people are **** but because he gives us a bit extra.

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Originally Posted by Peter

One thing is certainly true. It is very, very difficult to score a hatful of goals at centre forward un this side. We've had plenty of strikers under Arteta and none of them have done better than 1 in 2.

The team isnt set up to focus the creativity around one guy, the way City do with Haaland.

And it is fine. I don't want one guy scoring all the goals. The most important thing is that we don't have a centre forward who is missing chances constantly.

In short, I agree. I want Haveetz back. Not because other people are **** but because he gives us a bit extra.

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Maybe it's the strikers rather than the set-up. Presumably if Haaland played for us he would still be (and we would still want him to be) Haaland?

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Originally Posted by Peter

Havertz WAS **** in his first half season with us, because he was playing in midfield. Where hs is ****.

Then he moved to centre forward changing his and our season. Which is why we want him back now.

Also, because Gyokeres is **** :-)

The use of Henry and Pires in this context is quite frankly laughable....

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He was playing ok if you compared him with GX. It was just the confidence. The gifted penalty made no difference but once he got his first assist, he then scored a last min winner and didn't look back. It was only a bit after he moved up top.

I think he'd make a great inside left now in a 4-1-4-1 / 4-1-2-3

Have a big tv for the first time in our lives. Stream on it. Ganpati bless.

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

He was playing ok if you compared him with GX. It was just the confidence. The gifted penalty made no difference but once he got his first assist, he then scored a last min winner and didn't look back. It was only a bit after he moved up top.

I think he'd make a great inside left now in a 4-1-4-1 / 4-1-2-3

Have a big tv for the first time in our lives. Stream on it. Ganpati bless.

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He was a passenger for the most part. But he wasnt the Havertz we have now. He looked a shell of a footballer after a bad time at Chelsea.

Point is, you could see He was a very good footballer even when he was playing badly.

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Originally Posted by Peter

He was a passenger for the most part. But he wasnt the Havertz we have now. He looked a shell of a footballer after a bad time at Chelsea.

Point is, you could see He was a very good footballer even when he was playing badly.

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Well that might have been your view but if so it was very much at odds with the most common narrative on here. Lanky streak of piss, comes to mind

Anyway, the real point is that judging a footballer on 1/2 a season of football is a fools game. And that applies equally to a large number of very good footballers, including Henry and Pires.

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Originally Posted by WES

Well that might have been your view but if so it was very much at odds with the most common narrative on here. Lanky streak of piss, comes to mind

Anyway, the real point is that judging a footballer on 1/2 a season of football is a fools game. And that applies equally to a large number of very good footballers, including Henry and Pires.

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I guess the point i was making is that the people who knew Henry and Pires were great players even at the start pretty much all think Gyokeres looks a bit ****. Because he does.