Utd fans have really enjoyed mocking Kai Havertz since that cup game

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Ozil was a bit of a throwback to the old school 'free man'. In the modern game that guy needs to be able to press and be part of a system. Ozil was better when he was allowed to roam.

One of the problem of the players you mention up there was that too many of them were injury prone. Ramsey, Jack, Santi, Theo- they'd all go missing for months at a time. Same with Rosicky- what a beautiful footballer he was. Injury half killed him :-(

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Although I kind of know what you mean, I think Mesut was hugely misunderstood. His movement, his running should have been a good a good fit in any era/system. I think his downturn at Arsenal was more due to personal matters. The abuse he got in Germany was sheer racism. I still ****ing love him

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Although I kind of know what you mean, I think Mesut was hugely misunderstood. His movement, his running should have been a good a good fit in any era/system. I think his downturn at Arsenal was more due to personal matters. The abuse he got in Germany was sheer racism. I still ****ing love him

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He was ****e at pressing. Even when he did it, he'd commit or miss the tackle. It's fair enough, he grew up in a game where it wasn't an issue. Odegaard is the modern style of that player and exactly what Arteta wants.

I felt sorry for Ozil, certainly at the end. He deserved better than that.

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He was ****e at pressing. Even when he did it, he'd commit or miss the tackle. It's fair enough, he grew up in a game where it wasn't an issue. Odegaard is the modern style of that player and exactly what Arteta wants.

I felt sorry for Ozil, certainly at the end. He deserved better than that.

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Beauty sacrificed for functionality - this is the modern game. We are lucky to have our captain

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Beauty sacrificed for functionality - this is the modern game. We are lucky to have our captain

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Said at the time that ?30m for him was an utter steal!!

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He was ****e at pressing. Even when he did it, he'd commit or miss the tackle. It's fair enough, he grew up in a game where it wasn't an issue. Odegaard is the modern style of that player and exactly what Arteta wants.

I felt sorry for Ozil, certainly at the end. He deserved better than that.

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He took great delight in saying 'Trust the process :wink:' after a few losses post departure. So I dislike him.

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Beauty sacrificed for functionality - this is the modern game. We are lucky to have our captain

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There is a certain beauty within functionality.

****ing horrible to watch though :-)

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The problem with having two big lumps up top is it makes it harder to keep things tight at the back :-)

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But creating and stopping chances is not the issue, so even Gabriel could be our "kitchen sink".

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There is a certain beauty within functionality.

****ing horrible to watch though :-)

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Not at all; form follows function. The thing that works the best always looks the best.

Think of a Ferrari 308 or a Mossberg 500. Or even Thierry Henry.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Ozil was a bit of a throwback to the old school 'free man'. In the modern game that guy needs to be able to press and be part of a system. Ozil was better when he was allowed to roam.

One of the problem of the players you mention up there was that too many of them were injury prone. Ramsey, Jack, Santi, Theo- they'd all go missing for months at a time. Same with Rosicky- what a beautiful footballer he was. Injury half killed him :-(

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If you don't love Rosicky, you don't love football. {AW}

If he could have stayed fit, he could have been an all time great. Chippy, Rocky, Bobby P, Saka as great no.7s. Alexis only had 3.5 seasons and was no.17 at the start. But if he'd had over 5 years as a no.7, he'd be on the list. And if TR7 had stayed fit, he'd definitely be in there. We had him for 10 seasons, but he had under 20 league appearances in half of those and the most was 28.

170 league appearances. If we ignore B's breakthrough season with one EL start and a sub appearance in that and the PL, since then he's had 186 appearances in the next 5.5 seasons. 26 in the first and then 32-38 every other season.

Imagine we could have got over 300 league appearances out of Tommy.

Ganpati willing, B will stay with us for his entire career, win us shedloads and be known as our greatest ever no.7.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Although I kind of know what you mean, I think Mesut was hugely misunderstood. His movement, his running should have been a good a good fit in any era/system. I think his downturn at Arsenal was more due to personal matters. The abuse he got in Germany was sheer racism. I still ****ing love him

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I love Mesut. It was amusing watching the German version of the "Scottish when he loses" thing.