I broke two of my Queen CDs.......

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Originally Posted by IUFG

You seem to have overlooked the fact that 80s music was pretty much at the mercy of the awful Yamaha DX7 - a digital synthesizer.

A sound so bright, harsh and percussiony, it spoiled, pretty much, 99% of things it touched.

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Well I prefer the Les Paul and the Marshall amp. But then I am old school :-)

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Originally Posted by WES

Except that I didn’t trash pretty much the entire album, I said the first three songs were great and a lot of the rest was very average. And I didn’t say A Day in the Life wasn’t any good I said it was overrated.

Other than that your analysis is spot on Peter :thumbup:

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You said the album was grossly overrated, or have you forgotten that bit? And calling all but the first three songs average, rubbish (or McCartney dross!) or overrated is trashing 'pretty much the entire album'. Let us not quibble on that.

And it is fine, obviously. Just not worth discussing. I am not going to say anything about the White Album. Nothing at all. My lips are sealed :-)

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Originally Posted by IUFG

You seem to have overlooked the fact that 80s music was pretty much at the mercy of the awful Yamaha DX7 - a digital synthesizer.

A sound so bright, harsh and percussiony, it spoiled, pretty much, 99% of things it touched.

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I hear you. There were other synths around (OBX, CP80, JP8 etc) obviously.

One thing I don't think has ever been done quite as well as in the 80s is reverb. That plate verb on vox in New Romantic era music and large hall reverb, check Rachel's Song by Vangelis on the Bladerunner soundtrack. Immense.

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Originally Posted by Peter

You said the album was grossly overrated, or have you forgotten that bit? And calling all but the first three songs average, rubbish (or McCartney dross!) or overrated is trashing 'pretty much the entire album'. Let us not quibble on that.

And it is fine, obviously. Just not worth discussing. I am not going to say anything about the White Album. Nothing at all. My lips are sealed :-)

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You'd throw ob-li-di ob-li-da in my face, wouldn't you Peter? :-(

Not to mention Revolution no. 9 :-(

Still I could counter with Dear Prudence, I'm So Tired and the far superior version of Revolution :-)

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Originally Posted by WES

You'd throw ob-li-di ob-li-da in my face, wouldn't you Peter? :-(

Still I could counter with Dear Prudence, I'm So Tired and the far superior version of Revolution :-)

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I wouldn't, because we are talking about an album. The White Album suffers from double album syndrome. Too much, too messy, a bit of showboating here and there. Some amazing songs but it doesn't work as an album, for me. Doubles never do.

Ob-la-di harmed the album in a very particular way. Geoff Emerick, their engineer/assistant producer and architect of a lot of what they achieved on Pepper and Revolver, walked out on them after a row about that song. The album is less focused because of his departure, and I am not just saying that because he was a good friend of my dad :-)

But, we all listen to music differently. Even the concept of an album is outdated now. Just mentioning the art form gets one labelled as a boomer :-)

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Originally Posted by Peter

I wouldn't, because we are talking about an album. The White Album suffers from double album syndrome. Too much, too messy, a bit of showboating here and there. Some amazing songs but it doesn't work as an album, for me. Doubles never do.

Ob-la-di harmed the album in a very particular way. Geoff Emerick, their engineer/assistant producer and architect of a lot of what they achieved on Pepper and Revolver, walked out on them after a row about that song. The album is less focused because of his departure, and I am not just saying that because he was a good friend of my dad :-)

But, we all listen to music differently. Even the concept of an album is outdated now. Just mentioning the art form gets one labelled as a boomer :-)

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Are we forgetting the marvellous, Stevie Wonder’s, Songs in the key of life, double ?
Judging the homage to all of the white rock material in this thread… presumably so. :-\

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Originally Posted by Peter

I wouldn't, because we are talking about an album. The White Album suffers from double album syndrome. Too much, too messy, a bit of showboating here and there. Some amazing songs but it doesn't work as an album, for me. Doubles never do.

Ob-la-di harmed the album in a very particular way. Geoff Emerick, their engineer/assistant producer and architect of a lot of what they achieved on Pepper and Revolver, walked out on them after a row about that song. The album is less focused because of his departure, and I am not just saying that because he was a good friend of my dad :-)

But, we all listen to music differently. Even the concept of an album is outdated now. Just mentioning the art form gets one labelled as a boomer :-)

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You think about things more than me, Peter. I love the first three songs on Pepper, and I like Day in the Life but got tired of the symphony going crazy bits, they're just irritating. But that's it, I can't think of another song on the album that I would particularly want to listen to.

White album has Back in the USSR, Dear Prudence, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Happiness is a Warm Gun, I'm So Tired, Blackbird, Rocky Raccoon, Yer Blues, Sexy Sadie, Revolution 1 and Cry baby Cry - I would happily listen to all of them. I even like some of the dross, like Don't Pass Me By :-)

I would agree that it does not compare as an album 'concept' with Pepper. But I don't care. I like the music better :shrug:

Well, this is better than either.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...m_cover%29.jpg

Lennon and McCartney never came close to that piece of art...

Nor Taylor, Mercury, May and the other one...

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Originally Posted by IUFG

Well, this is better than either.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...m_cover%29.jpg

Lennon and McCartney never came close to that piece of art...

Nor Taylor, Mercury, May and the other one...

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Best Dance Album ever made.

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Originally Posted by John Bunnell

Best Album ever made.

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Fixed that for you...

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

Are we forgetting the marvellous, Stevie Wonder’s, Songs in the key of life, double ?
Judging the homage to all of the white rock material in this thread… presumably so. :-\

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I don't like Stevie Wonder. At all.

I am afraid my my musical taste is white. I can't help it :-(

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

Are we forgetting the marvellous, Stevie Wonder’s, Songs in the key of life, double ?
Judging the homage to all of the white rock material in this thread… presumably so. :-\

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The bonkersness of Sir Duke blighted by Isn't She Lovely

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Originally Posted by Peter

I don't like Stevie Wonder. At all.

I am afraid my my musical taste is white. I can't help it :-(

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You see Peter we can agree! :-)

Partly :-(

I don't get Steve Wonder at all, but I would never write off all black music. You racist :-)

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Originally Posted by IUFG

The bonkersness of Sir Duke blighted by Isn't She Lovely

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He did Signed, Sealed, Delivered, did he not?

I quite like that one.

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Originally Posted by WES

He did Signed, Sealed, Delivered, did he not?

I quite like that one.

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He did. Though is not on Songs in the Key of Life, I believe...

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Originally Posted by WES

You think about things more than me, Peter. I love the first three songs on Pepper, and I like Day in the Life but got tired of the symphony going crazy bits, they're just irritating. But that's it, I can't think of another song on the album that I would particularly want to listen to.

White album has Back in the USSR, Dear Prudence, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Happiness is a Warm Gun, I'm So Tired, Blackbird, Rocky Raccoon, Yer Blues, Sexy Sadie, Revolution 1 and Cry baby Cry - I would happily listen to all of them. I even like some of the dross, like Don't Pass Me By :-)

I would agree that it does not compare as an album 'concept' with Pepper. But I don't care. I like the music better :shrug:

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There you go- we are experiencing the same thing in a different way.

I like an album. But it is a dying art form and I am a dinosaur :-(

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Originally Posted by WES

You see Peter we can agree! :-)

Partly :-(

I don't get Steve Wonder at all, but I would never write off all black music. You racist :-)

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Obviously I love Bob Marley and some other reggae. And I like a bit of Otis.

But all my favourite artists are white, and male. Sorry for being me :-(

And it is all black music. Just performed by white people.....

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Originally Posted by Peter

There you go- we are experiencing the same thing in a different way.

I like an album. But it is a dying art form and I am a dinosaur :-(

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And just to spite you I am listening to it as we speak :-)

I might add Glass Onion to the above list. And I just finished the stunningly simplistic yet wonderful I'm So Tired. Twice.

Lennon at his best imo.

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Originally Posted by WES

Lennon at his best imo.

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I’m off to see the Bootleg Beatles
As the bootleg Mark Chapman


the usual quality lyrics from HMHB :hehe:

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Originally Posted by WES

And just to spite you I am listening to it as we speak :-)

I might add Glass Onion to the above list. And I just finished the stunningly simplistic yet wonderful I'm So Tired. Twice.

Lennon at his best imo.

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I like Abbey Road. I suppose you are going to tell me that is drivel now, aren't you :-)

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Originally Posted by Peter

I like Abbey Road. I suppose you are going to tell me that is drivel now, aren't you :-)

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Nope :nono:

Excellent first side. Then Here Comes the Sun (wonderful). Then the drivel begins.

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Originally Posted by WES

Nope :nono:

Excellent first side. Then Here Comes the Sun (wonderful). Then the drivel begins.

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Oh my :clap:

The second side is when it gets really good :-)

Let us say no more about it!

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Originally Posted by Peter

Oh my :clap:

The second side is when it gets really good :-)

Let us say no more about it!

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:clap: :hehe:

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Originally Posted by IUFG

The bonkersness of Sir Duke blighted by Isn't She Lovely

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That is true but Pastime Paradise and Contusion.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

"Pomp Rock", like Kate Bush, so I gather.

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Given this thread, I flicked between a couple of 80s Music channels last night for 15 or so minutes.

In summary

The Thompson Twins - Hold Me Now
Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
Duran Duran - The Reflex (what the **** is that about?)
Nik Kershaw - Wouldn't It Be Good
George Benson - Give Me the Night

80s music can **** right off imo

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Originally Posted by IUFG

Given this thread, I flicked between a couple of 80s Music channels last night for 15 or so minutes.

In summary

The Thompson Twins - Hold Me Now
Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
Duran Duran - The Reflex (what the **** is that about?)
Nik Kershaw - Wouldn't It Be Good
George Benson - Give Me the Night

80s music can **** right off imo

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Harsh to judge the entire decade based on that sample, I. Although I loved Hold Me Now at the time :hide:

The best thing about the 80s music is that it wasn't the 70s. By 82 I had had enough of concept albums and 3 minute guitar solos, I just wanted to listen to music that made me happy and the 80s had loads of that. I can understand how people like Peter who seem to think quite deeply music would prefer the 70s but for me music is entertainment, a source of escape. Led Zeppelin is hardly that imo.

BTW, I owe Peter a thank you actually. Because of his objections I listened to the White Album all the way through yesterday and I had forgotten how much I enjoy it. I skipped ob-li-di ob-la-da, Helter Skelter and Revolution no. 9. Every other song I enjoyed and some I had forgotten how good they are. Long long long being one of them.

Merci Pierre :thumbup:

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Harsh to judge the entire decade based on that sample, I.

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oh, I don't know, W.

Don't get me wrong, I like some songs from the 80s, but George Benson tipped me over the edge and I pressed the button on the remote with "Fúck this shÃ*t"

The 70s was equally tragic. That said I've been listening to a bit of Tangerine Dream and Brian Eno recently, background stuff, whilst at work, that sort of thing...

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Originally Posted by IUFG

oh, I don't know, W.

Don't get me wrong, I like some songs from the 80s, but George Benson tipped me over the edge and I pressed the button on the remote with "Fúck this shÃ*t"

The 70s was equally tragic. That said I've been listening to a bit of Tangerine Dream and Brian Eno recently, background stuff, whilst at work, that sort of thing...

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Thing is, this is nostalgia radio where the art seems to be in digging up crap that people liked at the time but have forgotten about. It leans inevitably towards throwaway ****e. I spent the 80s listening to Billy Bragg and The Pogues but you aren't going to hear Greetings to The New Brunette or Broad Majestic Shannon on these stations.

The 70s was full of fantastic music but if you listen to 70s radio you'll get Kung Fu Fighting and Tiger Feet.

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Originally Posted by WES

Harsh to judge the entire decade based on that sample, I. Although I loved Hold Me Now at the time :hide:

The best thing about the 80s music is that it wasn't the 70s. By 82 I had had enough of concept albums and 3 minute guitar solos, I just wanted to listen to music that made me happy and the 80s had loads of that. I can understand how people like Peter who seem to think quite deeply music would prefer the 70s but for me music is entertainment, a source of escape. Led Zeppelin is hardly that imo.

BTW, I owe Peter a thank you actually. Because of his objections I listened to the White Album all the way through yesterday and I had forgotten how much I enjoy it. I skipped ob-li-di ob-la-da, Helter Skelter and Revolution no. 9. Every other song I enjoyed and some I had forgotten how good they are. Long long long being one of them.

Merci Pierre :thumbup:

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I don't like Helter Skelter either. That one definitely missed its target.

I listened to Neil Young :-)

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Originally Posted by Peter

I don't like Helter Skelter either. That one definitely missed its target.

I listened to Neil Young :-)

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I discovered Neil Young in about 82. A great Canadian. :-)

Now you're going to tell me you don't like Harvest Moon, aren't you Peter :-(

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Originally Posted by Peter

Thing is, this is nostalgia radio where the art seems to be in digging up crap that people liked at the time but have forgotten about. It leans inevitably towards throwaway ****e. I spent the 80s listening to Billy Bragg and The Pogues but you aren't going to hear Greetings to The New Brunette or Broad Majestic Shannon on these stations.

The 70s was full of fantastic music but if you listen to 70s radio you'll get Kung Fu Fighting and Tiger Feet.

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This.

Another track on the telly was Kraftwerk - The Model. Whilst OK, you very rarely hear any of their other tracks which are miles better. Now, it could be to do with song videos, but the same also appears to apply to radio.


BTW, Billy Bragg has turned into some sort of massive cvnt, hasn't he? Or was he always one?

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Originally Posted by WES

I discovered Neil Young in about 82. A great Canadian. :-)

Now you're going to tell me you don't like Harvest Moon, aren't you Peter :-(

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I most certainly am not!

I like Neil Young. I prefer his acoustic and softer side, and some of the rockier stuff is lost on me. But I will never sit here and criticise him. :-)

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Originally Posted by IUFG

This.

Another track on the telly was Kraftwerk - The Model. Whilst OK, you very rarely hear any of their other tracks which are miles better. Now, it could be to do with song videos, but the same also appears to apply to radio.


BTW, Billy Bragg has turned into some sort of massive cvnt, hasn't he? Or was he always one?

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Billy has fallen into the same abyss as the rest of the left and now appears to not understand what a woman is. To the extent of telling women to shut the **** up for voicing their own opinion on the subject.

But his first four albums are still good. Dated, but good :-)

The 80s was actually pretty ****ing depressing and to me the music with a darker side is more evocative of the period. The bass sound on early Cure records, Joy Division and The Smiths. That is what the 80s felt like to me. Not a load of ponces with shoulder pads, lipstick and those stupid ****ing guitars with the neck cut off.

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Billy has fallen into the same abyss as the rest of the left and now appears to not understand what a woman is. To the extent of telling women to shut the **** up for voicing their own opinion on the subject.

But his first four albums are still good. Dated, but good :-)

The 80s was actually pretty ****ing depressing and to me the music with a darker side is more evocative of the period. The bass sound on early Cure records, Joy Division and The Smiths. That is what the 80s felt like to me. Not a load of ponces with shoulder pads, lipstick and those stupid ****ing guitars with the neck cut off.

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Joy Division. Unpopular opinion, but I didn't like them at all. New Order, on the other hand, I've seen them live a few times.

Steinberger guitars? They are still on the go, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Thing is, this is nostalgia radio where the art seems to be in digging up crap that people liked at the time but have forgotten about. It leans inevitably towards throwaway ****e. I spent the 80s listening to Billy Bragg and The Pogues but you aren't going to hear Greetings to The New Brunette or Broad Majestic Shannon on these stations.

The 70s was full of fantastic music but if you listen to 70s radio you'll get Kung Fu Fighting and Tiger Feet.

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Have we forgotten, Steely Dan… Aja and Gaucho ? Two outstanding albums. Stunning production, full of well crafted tracks :cloud9:

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Originally Posted by IUFG

Joy Division. Unpopular opinion, but I didn't like them at all. New Order, on the other hand, I've seen them live a few times.

Steinberger guitars? They are still on the go, I believe.

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To be honest, I didn't really like Joy Division either. I was just using it as an example of the sound :-)

I should have said the Sisters of Mercy, better example. Their first album has that dark, heavy sound to it but their later stuff is all very tinny and crisp.

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

Have we forgotten, Steely Dan… Aja and Gaucho ? Two outstanding albums. Stunning production, full of well crafted tracks :cloud9:

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It's a bit..... weird! :-)

The last great classic rock album ever made was Hotel California. A great way to close the genre :-)

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Originally Posted by Peter

It's a bit..... weird! :-)

The last great classic rock album ever made was Hotel California. A great way to close the genre :-)

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Hotel California was released a year before Rumours… and two years before Darkness, for all love!

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Hotel California was released a year before Rumours… and two years before Darkness, for all love!

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Neither of those are classic rock. Rumours has women singing on it for god sake!

Darkness is a whole different ball game. Incomparable.

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Rumours has women singing on it for god sake!

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Stevie Nicks books about kleptomania...